How I long for real news about the last stolen election

I miss the days after Nov. 2, 2004 when DU was my saving grace amidst the trauma of the stolen election. For about 60 to 90 days afterward DU was revealing to me, and to us all, information about the "election" that we all knew was the worst kind of thievery. DU kept me going. I was glued to DU constantly...as were others. I really miss those days. I wonder what will come of this crime against America? I wonder if the details will somehow, miraculously, be revealed in a public way that leaves no doubt about the way it was stolen? I wonder what's the latest? I wonder if Bush and his allies will pay for their heinous crime?

It was traumatising to me as well. And look what we got for it. A murderous lying POS for the second time in a row. I have the same questions in my mind as yourself. All day long, after I wake up angry
about it. I am feeling a sense of urgency about the machines. And the thread yesterday about KKKarl bragging about how they would be in power for a generation. Then there were the defeatist replies. It's enough to make you explode.

But the anger I feel is being channelled into grassroots action. And what's more, the more I read from the defeatists, the more determined I become.

Quite stubborn.

this evil administration and it's policies is a great remedy...for us all. Thanks for your efforts and for your empathy.

Over the last 4 years, I have thought every day, that with all the scandals, something would finally bring * down.It is terribly frustrating that everything is swept over.I keep thinking maybe the MSM in its own good time,maybe in a way we can'nt see, will bring them down.They are too dumb to be in office, they are bullies.They pull dumb stunts, like * looking under Whitehouse furniture, no WMD's here, Laura doing the stupid horse milking joke.I keep thinking. I could'nt imagine Gore or Kerry pulling stunts like this and getting away with it.

have. You are right. For the first four years of * I thought the same thing as I do now; any day now they will be revealed for the scoundrels that they are. I have found plenty of info that shows it to be true. You have too I am sure. Lots of us have. So what's up? What gives? It's so frustrating. * and his allies are so evil!

none of us have a crystal ball, so we don't know where we're headed. we're guided by pursuit of the truth, desire to see justice served, and the quest to see every vote counted in future elections.

at any time the whole thing could explode with a new revelation or breaking news story of a whistle blower or smoking gun. Or Kerry or Dean making some kind of a public statement that moves millions into action.

or it could take years for us to convince people that there's even a problem.

either way, we must fight on. this is the most important issue there is. all other rights stem from the right to vote.

...leaders, national and local. Lifelong loyal Democratic voter here, lo these forty-some years (first political campaign--JFK, 1960). So I'm not trashing Democrats idly--or from the outside, as a Green or an independent. But I am also well informed about politics, history and the current global corporate scene, and I'm not naive. I know that the job losses of the 2000's, for instance, are directly due to Clinton-Gore policy. They are the ones who signed NAFTA, etc.--in a huge betrayal of the electorate, to whom they promised labor and environmental protections on global trade agreements. That's what the Seattle 1999 protests were about--they were largely a protest against Clinton, and the repression against the protesters--essentially a police riot--was perpetrated by Democratic politicians in Washington state in defense of Clinton and of the piratical, robber baron policies of the World Trade Organization.

I nevertheless voted for Clinton in 2000, thinking of those small sops to the poor--like the minimum wage--which the Democrats still seemed to be defending. Little as it is, these tiny increments, like 25 cents an hour in wage increases, mean a lot when you have nothing. And, of course, the Democrats have been a bulwark on social progress.

However, on the matter of our fraudulent election system, I have been very shocked at the Democrats' behavior. They should have been screaming bloody murder long before the election, on major donors to Bush counting all our votes in secret, with no paper trail. I mean, really. It doesn't take a rocket scientist...

And where were they on Nov. 2? And where are they now?

Well, in California, it was the DEMOCRATS who did Arnold Schwarzenegger's dirty work for him, and drove our good Secretary of State Kevin Shelley out of office with a vile smear campaign. Democrats. Now we have a Schwarzenegger patsy appointee as Sec of State. (For those who don't know, Shelley was the best Sec of State in the country on electronic voting; decertified and sued Diebold, and provided Californians with a paper ballot option for 2004, among other things.)

The electronic voting scene is a stewpot of corruption, involving both parties. I'm sure that was Tom Delay's intention in passing HAVA. HAVA succeeded in destroying our election system, by bribing the states with $4 billion to convert to insecure, unreliable, hackable electronic voting systems run on secret, proprietary programs, owned and controlled by major Republican donors. It is the worse thing that has ever happened in this country, exept maybe slavery. It IS slavery.

So you have to wonder (and be a bit mind-boggled) about the level of collusion and corruption we are dealing with. You look at this election thing, and the first thing you think is, are the Demcrats suicidal or what? What is going on here? And I'm afraid that the preponderance of the evidence points to Democrats ALSO being fascists but being a lot more sneaky about it than Bush.

Let me back off on that just a little. I think some Democratic office holders are just plain scared of the Bush Cartel. I know it can't be easy being in their direct line of fire. They are murderous, thieving, vicious bastards, who will stop at nothing to stay in power. And the better Democrats may simply be daunted by the kind of power the Bush Cartel has--over the news monopolies, for instance, and now, over the entire U.S. intelligence apparatus.

But I no longer think--on the election issue--that the problem with the Democrats is ignorance (that electronic voting run by Wally O'Dell is just too esoteric to understand). There is no more important matter for politicians and political consultants than how votes are counted. That's their JOB, for chrissakes! Getting votes. So I don't buy the line that they need to be "educated." Something else is going on. And I think it is a very complex situation--not easy to read.

Part of it is their just being stunned and hamstrung by the Bush Cartel's naked and covert power. Part of it is just plain corruption--every officie holder a millionaire, every millionaire benefitting from tax cuts for the rich; plus having their hands in the military-industrial complex. And part of it is that many Dem leaders support war in the Middle East, and like having Bush do it for them. And Bush makes them look good. They can spend their time DEFENDING Social Security--DEFENDING IT!--and NOT demanding reform of our medical system and riding herd on drug companies and medical insurance pirates. Bush pulls the argument so far over to the right--in fact right of the cliff of fascism--that the Democrats don't have to do anything to look good. They can just stand there--well fed themselves, smug, living in a bubble of privilege--and do nothing. AND they can fall back on the excuse of being the "minority" party, even if they very clearly are not. (Bush does not represent the majority of Americans and everybody knows it--look at the opinion polls!)

But I am far from feeling despair. I think it's really important that we, the people, are finding these things out. What we do with the information that the election was stolen and the Democrats don't seem to give a damn is up to our collective wisdom and energy.

The foundation of our action, as a people, needs to be a clear-eyed understanding of the situation we are--not naivete, not hoping for the Democrats to suddenly turn into "White Knights" who will rescue our democracy. Ain't gonna happen. But some of them might help--and might very much want to help--as the rest of us, the vast majority of people in this country, figure out how to get our country back.

There is no doubt in my mind elected Democrats fear for their jobs. 2002 Georgia was the beta test for total election control via electronic election tampering and fraud. It was successful. It laid the groundwork for stealing the 2004 election by massively manipulating votes using DREs, OptiScans, and vote tabulators in the swing states and elsewhere to give George Bush a win not only of electoral votes, but also of the popular vote.

Tom Delay's HAVA has set the groundwork for total control elections to be installed in all 50 states. Every state with a DRE or OptiScan voting machine will have secret electronic vote tabulating using hackable GEMS software developed by two Republican brothers. All state elections will be under the control of political Secretaries of State (Blackwell and Harris are our future!).

Democrats who think: "Wait til we control the tabulators!", or "If I can survive, maybe I can make a difference around the edges", need to wake up and smell the fraud! The RNC is in near total control of election results now and they will not relinquish that control EVER!

Be a RNC compliant Democrat elected official and you keep your job. Disagree, make a fuss, or be unlucky to have to compete with a RNC up & coming star and you lose.

This is not the RNC of my mother. The Republican party was stolen long before our elections were. Coming out of the 1964 Goldwater defeat, with 40 years of concerted, continued effort, the current RNC is a highly organized, largely secretive, hierarchical organization of over 300 interlocking entities, organized and managed by a small cabal of religious right extremists, neo-conservatives, and neo-nazis.

Meanwhile, We the People are powerless. We have lost the reigns of democracy and we have little recourse. Our press is blackmailed by the RNC with press access to the powerful hanging like Pericles' Sword over news organizations and reporters. Thus, the press is complicit in its silence about our stolen elections and loss of democracy.

How will this change? What can we do? We struggle in the vacuum of press silence, staying isolated and disorganized. We don't realize our fundamental political power, not understanding how to use that power or that we must use it if we are ever to overthrow the RNC and its death grip on our country.

The USSR survived 70 years until people recognized their fundamental power and used it to break the grip of communism. How long will we wait before we break the grip of the RNC's USA-INC 4th Reich?

...and play the game with the new rules...We have to hack better than they do. Period!