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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:23 AM
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Karl Schwarz to run for president in 2008 !?!?!?
Check this out:

<snip>

"on Monday, I plan to announce that I'll be running for President in 2008!"

</snip>

http://coalition4visibleballots.homestead.com/KarlSchwarz.html
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:27 AM
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1. What's his platform? "Kill the Rockefellers?!"
Dude's a loony.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:33 AM
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2. well
most of us here are being called looney by the mainstream media, for just questioning the election results...

this guy knows about election fraud. so far he's the only candidate that can say that, and I think that's KEY. Even if all he does is get the other candidates to address the issue, it's worth it.

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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:34 PM
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7. Are you kidding...
Really please start paying attention, the only loons are those who think we the people are in control. And think the TV is their friend.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:00 PM
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8. Who's gonna vote for him? Who's gonna give him the 10 mil he needs
to run a campaign? Coors? The KKK?

The man has been pushing the same Posse Comitatus/anti-ZOG bullshit the fringe right has been peddling for years, except now that he's added a clause about election fraud to his platform, suddenly he's a DU hero? I don't get it.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:35 AM
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3. I have only one question: Who the fuck is Karl Schwarz?
Okay...I lied...I have another: And why would anyone vote for him?
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:46 AM
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5. I asked your second question about George Bush
I figure if people will vote for someone with as awful a track record as him, they might vote for anyone. (Of course having a father who has been a President, even if a poor one, does change things.)
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:01 PM
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6. uh well...
I can't claim to be an expert on him at all. I've only heard "about" him. I haven't read his book.

If you read the link, there's some info about him. He used to be high up in the Republican Party, now he hates Bush and is doing everything he can to expose the truth about 911, election fraud, ... and all the lies that come out of the whitehouse.

Maybe there's more to the story but I haven't followed it much.

I'm not saying that anyone should vote for him. But I know one thing. We need someone in the ring that will raise the issue of e-voting. I don't care who it is.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:22 PM
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9. Karl Schwarz
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:40 PM
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11. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh yes. NOW I recall him.
He got TS'd a while ago.

He's a nutjob, despite making some good points.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:56 PM
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13. Do you consider Sibel Edmonds a nut job too?
n/t
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:11 PM
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14. I don't know enough about Sibel Edmonds to have an opinion. n/t
.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:19 PM
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15. "I don't know enough about Sibel Edmonds to have an opinion" ?
Oh, well, there you are.

Case rested.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:24 PM
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17. Too many rooms?
Big house too many rooms things get lost.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:22 PM
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16. Sibel Edmonds
Complaint filed in Edmonds v. Department of Justice

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
SIBEL EDMONDS,
6631 West Wakefield Drive
Alexandria, VA 22307

Plaintiff,
v.
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
10th Street and Constitution Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
and
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION,
9TH Street and Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20535
and
JOHN ASHCROFT,
in his official capacity as Attorney General,
U.S. Department of Justice
10th Street and Constitution Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
and
ROBERT S. MUELLER, III,
in his official capacity as Director,
Federal Bureau of Investigation
9th Street and Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20535
and
THOMAS FRIELDS,
in his official capacity as Supervisory Agent
in Charge, Washington Field Office,
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Fourth and F Streets, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20535
and
GEORGE STUKENBROKER,
in his official capacity as Chief of Security,
Washington Field Office
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Fourth and F Streets, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530

Defendants.

www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds.htm

National Security Whistleblowers Coalition
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
April 27, 2005

National security employees form whistleblower's coalition
By Chris Strohm
cstrohm@govexec.com

More than 50 former and current government officials from more than a dozen agencies have formed a new coalition to protect and support national security whistleblowers.

The group, called the National Security Whistleblower's Coalition, is planning a series of meetings with House and Senate lawmakers and a press conference on Thursday to put forward its proposals. The coalition was spearheaded by FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, who was fired after alleging security breaches, mismanagement and possible espionage within the FBI's translation service in late 2001 and early 2002.


"We believe that the biggest and the most important thing is individual accountability," Edmonds said Wednesday. "As long as a few bad apples are allowed to hide behind the wall of the agencies, you can't pass any law, any regulations. It's not going to do any good. Laws are meaningless without accountability."...

www.govexec.com/dailyfed/...2705c1.htm

Sibel Edmonds David and Jan Dickerson
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Espionage and treason?

Edmonds has reported information about an FBI translator named Jan Dickerson whose husband, U.S. Air Force Major David Dickerson, belonged to a Turkish organization which was an investigative target of the FBI’s own counter-intelligence unit.
www.scoop.co.nz/stories/H...S00251.htm

Whistlerblower Coming in Cold From The FBI

MUST READ

...the article mentions a woman named Melek Can Dickerson, a Turkish woman married to a major in the U.S. Air Force. The woman told Edmonds that she couldn't believe America was monitoring people who were their chief "persons of interest" because Dickerson and her husband had done favors for them...shopping...

"Ms. Edmonds has told the Judiciary Committee that soon after, Ms. Dickerson tried to establish social ties with her, suggesting they meet in Alexandria and introduce their husbands to each other.

When Sibel invited the visitors in for tea, she said, Major Dickerson began asking Matthew Edmonds if the couple had many friends from Turkey here in the U.S. Mr. Edmonds said he didn't speak Turkish, so they didn't associate with many Turkish people. The Air Force officer then began talking up a Turkish organization in Washington that he described, according to the Edmondses, as "a great place to make connections and it could be very profitable."

Sibel was sickened. This organization was the very one she and Jan Dickerson were monitoring in a 9/11 investigation. Since Sibel had adhered to the rule that an F.B.I. employee does not discuss bureau matters with one's mate, her husband innocently continued the conversation. Ms. Dickerson and her husband offered to introduce the Edmondses to people connected to the Turkish embassy in Washington who belonged to this organization. ..."My husband keeps thinking he's talking about promoting business deals," Ms. Edmonds later said of the encounter. "He has no idea the man is talking about criminal activities with some semi-legitimate front."

These are classic "pitch activities" to get somebody to spy for you, according to a Judiciary Committee staffer who investigated Ms. Edmonds' claims. ...The targets of that F.B.I. investigation left the country abruptly in 2002. Later, Ms. Edmonds discovered that Ms. Dickerson had managed to get hold of translations meant for Ms. Edmonds, forge her signature, and render the communications useless."

more
www.gailsheehy.com/9_11/9_11_art1_21.html

State Dept. Quashed 9/11 Links To Global Drug Trade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=610235
Sibel Edmonds: Turkey, drugs and 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1894035
Sibel Edmonds will run ads naming NAMES if Congress doesn't act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3561783
Sibel Edmonds, 911, Drugs & Campaign Finance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=37842&mesg_id=37842&page=
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:45 AM
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4. kick! This might get the issue out there!
How about a Dem who will make this the focus of their campaign?!
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:27 PM
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10. two reasons why this could be good
1) he knows about election fraud and he could make it a real issue in the election

2) he is a republican and could split the republican vote, if he runs 3rd party, ala Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader

I say he can only help our cause be being in the ring
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:40 PM
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12. 3) He knows all about the 9/11 LIE.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:09 AM
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18. Here's the Inconoclast interview with him:
Edited on Sat May-07-05 12:20 AM by Amaryllis
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The Bear Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:25 AM
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19. And here's the other links - MUST READ
Edited on Sat May-07-05 01:35 AM by The Bear
In the interview article in The Lone Star Iconoclast, Schwarz refers to 6 articles he had in Online Journal. The links to those articles are below. He's not the best writer, but the information in the articles was quite an eye-opener, even to me! A MUST READ.

Part 1: http://tinyurl.com/cm6bt
Part 2: http://tinyurl.com/7qnh7
Part 3: http://tinyurl.com/denty
Part 4: http://tinyurl.com/9fdud
Part 5: http://tinyurl.com/dtaaz
Part 6: http://tinyurl.com/4gd5n

If he's running for Pres., even I, a very staunch liberal my entire life, would seriously consider voting for him!
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:35 AM
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20. I wonder what most "Election Fraud" folks think about 911 ?


I've been avoiding learning about the "911 Truth" partly because I just don't have time and partly because I'm skeptical.

But I heard this guy was going to be on CSPAN, Dr. Griffin, who wrote a book about his research on 911.

On the program he talked about there are 4 different views of 911

1) We were completely innocent victims and everything we've done since then is a proper response

2) We were victims but the government siezed the opportunity to use it as a political tool to promote their agenda

3) The goverment knew something was going to happen, looked the other way, and allowed it to happen so that they could use it to promote their agenda

4) The goverment played a direct role in planning it


Before I watched the CSPAN, I was already a 3. I must say he presented some very interesting information that I was not aware of. I think I'm about a 3.4 now.

Maybe someone wants to start a poll here, offering the three choices. I think it would be interesting to see where most poeple in this group are at.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:53 AM
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21. Oh, man, now that's interesting.
I wonder how much air time he'll get on MSM? Heh heh.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 06:06 AM
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22. As I told a bunch of my volunteer-group friends tonight,
I hope Mr. Schwarz has good security. I hope he's made it clear to friends and family members that he does NOT have a history of mental illness that could be used to explain any "suicide" attempts he might make in the near future. I hope he can avoid air travel for the next three-and-a-half years. I mean, as much as I can wish a Republican luck in his future, good luck, Karl. I just hope you're prepared.
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