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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:15 PM
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I know the answer is here......Help
I'm too lazy to go research again. Bushit's 2004 WIN( ??) represented what percentage of the populace vs Kerry's loss( ??) represented what percentage of the populace.I kinda remember Bushit's representing 17% ....am I crazy....links please!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:19 PM
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1. I haven't had my coffee yet...
Edited on Sun May-22-05 12:20 PM by Dr_eldritch
So you may have to type more slowly.

:wink:

I have all kinds of links - give me a better Idea of what you are looking for.

Meanwhile I'll go put a pot on.

:donut:

{oe}- haven't had coffee yet.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:30 PM
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2. For the point of this ..lets
agree Bushit won! It was 50/48 but his win represented such a small percentage of the popular vote because they were all small states.....Thta's the number I am looking for.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:42 PM
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3. Here's a place you should always look first;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004

It's remarkably unbiased, and always very factual.

Follow the links from there.
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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:58 PM
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10. I hope I didn't barge in...
Heya Dr_eldritch
My apologies if I was rude, in any way (bow)

I agree, wikipedia is a great way to start.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 02:10 PM
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11. Rude? When? Where?
(It takes an awful lot to offend me.)
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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:47 PM
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4. Easy math with source info
U.S. population 290,810,000

Voted for Bush 62,040,606

Percentage 21.33%


Voting age population 217,766,000

Voted for Bush 62,040,606

Percentage 28.48%




http://www.census.gov/statab/www/pop.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/


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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 12:54 PM
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5. Perfect.....
I think my 17% come from the population of the 'red' states vs the 'blue' states.any way...Is there anyway I can get a good idea of the democraphics of the 50% that DON'T vote??? Where do they live and age.race, income etc?...My gut tells me they are all the underclass but would like to see soem stats on it.
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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:06 PM
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6. I always go to the census first, demographics are their world.
http://www.census.gov/statab/www/brief.html

Exit polls are the closest thing your gonna get for what you want.
A minefield discussion of accuracy though. 8)

I would use the exit poll ending with 13047 myself, reported just after midnight.
http://www.exitpollz.org/

Then use in conjunction with the census info to get your results.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:24 PM
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7. These are great and I saved them but
I want the demographics of the 50% whom DIDN'T VOTE! How do I find this?
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Chi Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:29 PM
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8. The only way I could think of....
is to take the Census demographic data, and subtract the exit poll data.
Whats left is who didn't vote....theoretically 8)

I don't know of any other source data who can give you demographics on who voted...polls are the only option, and exit's are the best.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 01:52 PM
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9. Thhanks for your help
n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 02:17 PM
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12. Nearly 63% of Americans oppose the Iraq war, now, today--as many as
opposed it before the invasion. 63% of Americans oppose torture UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Opinion polls are showing overwhelming opposition to all Bush policy, foreign and domestic, up in the 60% to 70% range, with Bush's personal approval rating sinking to 42% (and an unprecedented, dismal 49% on the DAY of his 'Inauguration'), with poor Bush approval ratings consistent over a year's time.

No way that this fascist represents the majority of Americans.

But did they vote for him?

The Democrats blew Bush away in new voter registration in 2004 (nearly 60/40). People were flocking to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY--to vote for...Bush? And all the Gore 2000 voters who were URGING their non-voting family members, friends, co-workers, etc., to register DEMOCRATIC and vote THIS TIME, were themselves voting for...Bush?

Nope. Most new voters voted for Kerry. Most Nader voters voted for Kerry. Most Gore 2000 voters voted for Kerry. And most independents voted for Kerry.

Where did Bush's margin of victory come from? And where is that support NOW?

(Wally O'Dell and Chuck Hagel know.)

(The real vote count: Kerry won by 4 to 6 million votes.)

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The Bush regime is so illegitimate and so unrepresentative that they are pushing their whole fascist agenda down our throats at once, for fear someone will catch up with them. They are acting like crazy looters in a riot situation, smashing store windows and stealing TV sets. Take everything you can get your hands on NOW. They would be much wiser to govern from the middle, with such a tenuous victory even in the phony count, let alone in any real reckoning of their support (20% of the country, at best, in my opinion--just as it's always been re: extremist rightwing views).

What must be in the planning stage at Bilderberg (or wherever they plan these things) is installation of a 'centrist' (i.e., pro-corporate, pro-war) Democrat in 2008, to calm things down, and allow the Cartelists to consolidate their vast financial gains (from looting of California, looting of the US Treasury, looting of Iraq...), and their vast gains in the legal system (all laws favoring the rich and the corporate). The Democrats will run the bread lines efficiently, and change nothing of importance. And after the Democrats have stabilized the country and if there is anything new to be pillaged, they will get blamed for the "third world economy" that America will have become by then, and for "losing Iraq," and get removed again in favor of the Cartel.

This is a very likely scenario of the Cartelists. And they are moving fast to make it feasible, by seeking total control of our elections through paperless electronic voting (and probably through federalizing elections under their control, so that the states and counties have no option but paperless electronic voting).

However, I think they've misjudged the American people, and the difficulties of controlling this vast and diverse country. I think they've also greatly overreached--by invading Iraq, by their plan to invade other countries (and reinstitute the Draft), by their plan to loot Social Security, by their huge deficit, and by their assault on minority rights in Congress. They are running some very great risks, and they really do not have any depth of support in the country to be doing these things. They are premising everything on their control of the electronic voting machines--risk of exposure and jail for their massive thefts and other crimes, risk of war crimes tribunals, risks of other countries censuring and isolating them, great financial risks (the fall of the dollar, the Chinese loans, etc.) and risks of huge and very unmanageable protests.

Their power is quite brittle--it has no foundation in the hearts and minds of the people. And when the progressive community finally gets its act together and starts throwing Diebold machines into Boston Harbor, this thinly seated Dark Tower in which they reside is going to come crashing down. It cannot stand.

The question is, will we THEN address the profound problems in our democracy that permitted this fascist coup to take place?

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