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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 06:41 AM Original message |
The DNC 2004 Election Report: An indictment of incompetence - Bob Fitrakis |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. The repukes rigged the election but that doesn't mean the |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. It makes you wonder, doesn't it? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. If they were denied access to the machines and the softward |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
53. The "widespread" illogic of the DNC report makes you wonder WHY... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. Right. Because we know they know.. n/t |
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newswolf56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. Has anyone ever considered the possibility... |
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Oversea Visitor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 07:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Well |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 07:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Shades of Walter Lippman, and "Manufacturing Consent" |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Sadly, I believe you are correct |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
92. Dem Inactivity |
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Oversea Visitor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. Get rid of the machine |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. I'm afraid we will have to dismantle our "political machines" before... |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. In 19 out of 88 counties ...... |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. Rev. Jesse Jackson talked about this a lot |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
8. At least it was only a halfway buggy report.... |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
9. a very important issue ... |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 08:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So everyone must continue to flood his box... |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. please, please, please STOP THIS! |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. The point is, there were plenty of opportunities for electronic fraud. |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. No one is denying there were plenty of opportunities |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I wish you and/or others more knowledgeable about the tech- |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I wish I could write it in an understandable document |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. B.t.w., I do agree with you re- imptc of ACCURACY. nt |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Thank you n/t |
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SophieZ (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
102. I think most of us need "thinking points" not "talking points". |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Diebold Optiscan were used and check out this report from the recount: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Optical Scanners are NOT DREs |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Optical Scanners CAN have problems as well. What statement |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. NO, Optical scanners DO HAVE PROBLEMS too |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
66. You mean optical scanners are not programmed? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Some info on Optical Scanners: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I never said any such thing |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 07:34 AM Response to Reply #71 |
85. Before everyone gets bored to death ... |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. definitions |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Deleted message |
tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. FYI: Fitrakis book is actually shipping |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
10. DNC "Let us see the machines!"...BOE: "Nope"...DNC: "Sorry for asking... |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. I needed that |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
65. So you think the DNC has resigned itself to be the GOP "neutered pet"? ;) |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
12. tommcintyre, Thanks for the great post...this IS the other 1/2 -- WE WON |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Knew there was something missing |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 11:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
79. Yep, and we need to remember that the people are the party... |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
15. Now I know exactly what to say to the DNC when they call me |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
69. I think that's the best way to get their attention |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I hate to admit it but I think you |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Yep, gota hit 'em where it hurts! In the pocketbook n/t |
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SophieZ (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
104. Well, I know what I tell 'em. |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 06:53 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Good insights and suggestions |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
18. Is Dean the best, only Dem. we should complain to? nt |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Conyers is the highest ranking Dem interested in addressing it. I hope |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. True -- but he already seems to be doing all he can. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. You are correct re Conyers. If ever a case for cloning then Conyers is it |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
82. I'd love to have the karma HE's built up. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 03:02 AM Response to Reply #21 |
83. I recall a few Conyers for Prez postings during the last 8 mos. . . |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 03:31 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Any honest Dem or Repug |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Yep, supporting the investigation of possible fraud is my litmus test n/t |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. I would vote for him in a heartbeat! |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 05:40 AM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Conyers set a record trend. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Not in my |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Then DO IT. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Can you be my adviser |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Nice try |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. read post #14 and #22......nt |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Yes, please do. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Define "diebold anything" |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. A little research might help you |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Can't you just tell me |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. 2 counties used Diebold OpScan |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Thank you...nt |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Take a look at this |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. And? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. What did you determine caused Cobb to get Kerry's votes? How do you know |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. How did you determine it WAS? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. You state you never made a determination yet you said: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Because I don't speculate |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. If you don't speculate, why did you state: |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Circular logic |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Please, let me know |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. When they said we |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. So, it's time for you to get busy on that legal team |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
80. I would tell all that may be "hurt" by your future lack of support... |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
33. My thanks to Rosenfel and Fitrakis ... |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Sadly, I don't know how we expected anything else |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. The only people here sacrificing are the citizens of this country. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
44. kick.nt |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
72. Yes, it's a disaster that the DNC is STILL saying the "problems" with the |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I am with you |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
74. Is it possible that our government and elections are.... |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. An excellent point.... |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. The one thing I don't |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #76 |
86. Perhaps it's just easier for those who call the shots... |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-25-05 10:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Nothing Wrong with Kansas Wyatt! You go places others fear to go. |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. YES!!! We cannot allow the DNC to bury the central issue of election fraud |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 07:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Maybe the DLC (DINOs) are running the DNC? |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 12:01 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Then we need to fight them back out of here... |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-29-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Good news! Progressive groups have already started |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
81. kick.nt |
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emcguffie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
87. Donna what's her name was furious with me |
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LightningFlash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 04:15 AM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Someone will take you up on the offer! |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 07:21 AM Response to Reply #87 |
98. Don't get discouraged, more and more people are waking up to the... |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. "We are the ones we have been waiting for" - exactly. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
90. Instead of reinventing the wheel, we should just ship a copy |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Damn fine idea. |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-26-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Better yet, tell 'em if they don't pay for their own copy, AND support... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 04:07 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Okay., got it.! What about if we buy them a copy and SIGN it |
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tommcintyre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-27-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I like that. It would be one hell of a unique petition! Hard to ignore. nt |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-28-05 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
106. ANOTHER Fitrakis article on the DNC report posted 6/28: |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-02-05 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
108. Some responses to my questions about the DNC report |
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