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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:29 PM
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Can someone explain the whole Bev Harris story in light of today's events
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 10:34 PM by abernste
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4052984#4054468

I posted in this thread earlier the following question:

"I (like a lot of us) gave her a little bit of money after hearing her interview with Randi. Since then, I've heard bits and pieces about her lack of accountability (on Randi's show) and about her being banned from DU. Is it really true that she's been involved w/ the Scamdy crap??

I wish I could get my $15 back!!"

On Edit: Mods, please feel free to delete if this raises too much of a storm.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:38 PM
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1. If it is ever shown that Bev Harris had anything to do w/ the attacks on
Andy through either Scamdy or other sites, then I can only say that in that special place in hell reserved for the vile demons who did it and spewed their venom, then she will get to be the first in line in hell.

:grr:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:45 PM
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3. When the IRS catches up with her, she'll have a special place in prison.
I have no doubt that she's behind the scamdy site. Why else would Plan9's David Allen have a whole forum devoted to him?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:44 PM
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2. YOu can search the archives and learn all about it.
What it basically boils down to is that Bev bit the hands that fed her. She took other people's research and writing, and then put it in a book with only HER name under the byline. She was horrifically ugly to anyone who asked questions of her methods and how she was spending the beaucoup donations she was getting. She filed a lawsuit in California, and then accused her friends of filing the lawsuit without her, all the while SHE was the one who had actually done so.

She posted a really nasty message full of lies on the front page of her website when she fired Andy. She threatened to sue Skinner and DUers for using the phrase "Black Box Voting Work Crew" or something of the such.

She sold "Clinton Cigars" during the Clinton impeachment, and she went on Free Republic and other sites and disparaged the people who had helped her.

Anytime she was caught in a lie, she would develop some crisis or make some promise of a future "It's coming, Folks!" victory.

She's a scam artist of the nth degree. She has nothing to show for the hundreds of thousands of dollars that were donated to BBV.

Most shocking, though ,was when she wrote such a nasty message about Andy, just after he had to deal with the death of his sister--for which Bev wouldn't even give him time off to visit her before her death.

Bev is an opportunistic bitch who has no interest in voter fraud beyond how it can enrich her pocket book or place her name in the news.

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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:52 PM
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4. She was very involved
She posted frequently in the threads at free republic that were attacking Andy as well as sending an email on May 15, 2005 to the guy who PAYS for the scamdy site that he posted on free republic (do a search on that site for BevHarris for her other posts). I think she incited them to put up the scamdy site and was feeding them whatever information she felt would continue the vicious attacks.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1402493/posts?q=1&&page=1101#1147
excerpt from her email to scamdy owner, emphasis mine:

We wish Andy a recovery free of complications, and I do believe that he is indeed going in for treatment at Johns Hopkins, and that he does have significant health problems. I do not think I've seen him, personally, say that he has pancreatic cancer. That is a diagnosis put forward on his behalf by others, if I'm not mistaken. I doubt very much that he is dying, but that does not mean that he is not at risk.

I will say this: Someone in my immediate family, whom I adored, died of pancreatic cancer. We lost him in six months, he was in considerable pain, and he certainly would have been unable to travel around the country, looking plump, cherubic and rosy-cheeked, giving speeches.

Maybe it is cancer, or perhaps a benign tumor or a precursor tumor, or pancreatitis (which is no joke either). Whatever it is, I am sure he is truly sick, and I hope he gets better quickly and as painlessly as possible. At the same time, I believe he should properly disclose the actual diagnosis. He often complained that he and his partner couldn't take a tax deduction on their house because he was the only one working and the house was in his spouse's name, and our state does not recognize gay marriage. It is possible that the two of them cannot obtain a loan on the equity on their house, because neither is employed.

While working for Black Box Voting, Andy was paid a salary of $48,000 per year. Because paychecks continue for a short time after termination, pretty much like any company where you get paid AFTER you work, not before, Andy was continuing to receive his regular paycheck in December while he was posting things like "I'm down to $1.21" at DU. He also received substantial payments from a donor named Laurie Grace during this time period. He was paid about $4000 from Black Box Voting in Feb., but though he signed for it, has not cashed the check.

Whatever his financial situation, we are glad that he is receiving top-of-the line medical treatment and wish him a speedy recovery. Sometimes the things he says are very annoying, but we all eventually meet our maker, don't we?


She is a disgusting person. Another source of information/links of her history here is compiled in this post by her former publisher:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188

And, of course...the quickly deleted lies that she wrote about Andy on her site when he dared to go to his sister's funeral and she fired him were saved here:
http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/blame_andy.htm

:puke:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:53 PM
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5. Go here >
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 10:54 PM by Stephanie
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:15 PM
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6. thanks,
Up until now, I'd only seen the tip of this iceberg. Quite a sordid history.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:24 PM
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11. imho in light of current events,
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 11:29 PM by yowzayowzayowza
Stephanie's post completes this discussion. Indeed, it would make me very happy if it were locked.

2 cents.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:30 PM
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12. As the OP, I tend to agree.
I really just wanted to get the background since there was so much that was flying around here today. The thread for newbies is exactly what I wanted, and with that I would be happy if this were locked.
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southlandshari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:01 PM
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28. Do you want it locked now? n/t
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:16 PM
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7. I believe she (and several proxies) have been banned several times
under several names. Not positive, but seem to recall that being the case. She is a bitter, posion spewing bee with an itch.

hey, Bev: so sue me
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:18 PM
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8. bailey77, rightfoot
those two just in the last 2 months..........rightfoot was banned today.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:20 PM
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9. I keep a personal record of posters I think are freeps and disruptors
Amazing how accurate my guesses are! They are so easy to spot.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:26 AM
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13. Me too! Swamp Rat is also spot on in identifying Freeps & Disruptors
I'm sure if we all compared our notes, we'd have matches!

:hi: Havocmom! :)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:33 AM
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14. Hey Pachamama! Long time, no read.
Maybe elad could work on a feature sorta like the buddy list? We could click on a poster and add them to our personal "usual suspects" list! :D
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:32 PM
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18. Me likey...Freepers won't stand a chance against Moms...
Never mess with Mom's.... :hi:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:37 AM
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15. Maybe there would be a way to keep our 'batting averages' in this matter?
Girls just wanna have fun... some of the time. It's good for us!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 12:05 PM
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16. Hee hee hee! I'm in.
They love this forum. :)
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 07:44 PM
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19. Just like the "Fantasy League Basketball/Baseball"-We could pick our fave
Freepers & Disruptors and keep tally of their terds across the DU...The Mom who picks the top Freepers gets the most points....We'll have to think of the prize....

:bounce:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:20 PM
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10. Damn! She doesn't want to stay away.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 04:39 PM
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17. "bailey77"? Weird name in light of recent events...
...but probably just a coincidence.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:05 PM
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20. kick
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:46 PM
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21. Please let me know if you have any other questions
Some folks sent you some links with a lot of information. But there is tons more.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:54 PM
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22. I believe your money was well used. I doubt if Bev is a very good
accountant, but I also doubt she's a crook. If she is, I'm sure whoever she has defrauded will find a way to sue her in court. That's her karma. If the Diebold folks could get rid of Kevin Shelley, which they did IMO, they will surely find a way to destroy Bev. In the meantime, it behooves us to applaud anybody who is working for election reform.

I personally think there's a kind of cottage industry here to demolish Bev Harris and I believe part of it originates from FR or DRE corporation sources. Maybe I'm wrong.

As long as she digs up facts that move us toward recovering our democracy, I am all for her and everyone interested in Democracy in America should be as well.

I was also all for Andy and am very sorry that he's passed on.

I think the time is approaching when thousands of picketers and protesters will be daily out in front of the elections officials' offices all around the country. This has to become an obsession it seems to me. It's no small matter to lose a democracy.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:16 PM
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23. There's a difference between working for election reform
and USING election reform. I question the motives of anyone who can so easily move to being a regular at DU to being one at free republic.

I'm glad your sorry that Andy has passed on. But what about her lovely attacks on a dieing man on free republic (see post 4)? Oh, and her reference to Andy being gay was throwing red meat to the homophobic freepers.

Seems like she's used the election reform movement to make a nice little livelyhood for herself.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:48 AM
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24. There is no "cottage industry" to demolish Bev
just her victims tired of her lies and smears fighting back.

She has dug up NO facts, she just stole other people's work and marketed herself as a savior.

The evidence against Bev Harris that has been presented on DU is thorough and quite compelling and consists of not only the testimony of her victims, but her own words as well. Have you read it?

There is NO evidence the money has been properly used and much evidence that Bev has repeatedly lied about how much she collected.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:37 AM
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25. No need to counter this poster, David
His defense of Bev is eerily similar to one of the freepers on the Andy threads who brags about being a 1000+ "undercover freeper at DU."

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:45 AM
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26. Ah!
Makes sense.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:57 PM
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27. right on the money
I noticed that too.
I don't understand the overwhelming love a small number of the freepers seem to have for Bev when the majority of them refer to her as a scam artist.

Weird, isn't it?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:50 PM
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30. that is because while he was growing more ill -
she posted (private email and public) just enough that some wanting to pass on the hate - excepted her bs and suddenly proclaimed that it wasn't she that was the scammer - it was Andy - and so they (a few individuals) embraced her and used that as further ammo to push the vile Andy lies.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:47 PM
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29. of course if it was from FR
that would be odd - considering her frequent posting there, including jumping in on the "trash Andy Stephonsen" posts. Yep, folks here pointing that out are suspect, though her own actions - cavorting with those folks defaming a dying man are not. Odd, that.

One could suggest the opposite - that there is a cottage industry on DU to revive one who has discredited many, many folks and their hard work on the isue - and to discredit those who raise the long track record (all archived and easy to access) here on DU.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:29 AM
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31. You're wrong.
You might spend some time actually reading the links provided in this thread.

Bev Harris doesn't need a cottage industry to be destroyed. She has the monopoly already.

And, given that Bev Harris sat on FR and the other place and egged on Andy's stalkers while he was dying, I really don't see how it's possible to be "all for Bev: and "all for Andy".
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