I need a precise explanation of what happened in Ohio in 2004.

I have the opportunity to talk with Rep Strickland and soon-to-be Rep Hackett tomorrow and I want to explain to both of them exactly what we think happened in Ohio,who was behind it, and what needs to be done to stop it in the future. Strickland is running for Governor and will be in a great position to help our cause. I will probably only have their ear for 3-5 minutes tops and this is the most important cause IMHO. Thinking back over everything it is all a confusing foggy memory for me, but I know some of you have stayed on the case and know a lot more about it than I do. I specifically want any information on Diebold and the Triad group also. Thanks

Lol sorry I just had to say it. I am better now. Good luck on your meeting keep fighting and thanks.

...are probably the best resources.

it.

It is suspected the voting tabulators were set to flip votes from Kerry to Bush. Sherole Eaton, Deputy Director of Hocking County caught a Triad representative (just before the recount) dismantling the computer that was connected to the tabulator that had the Nov 2nd results in it. He replaced the hard drive then said he just had to put a patch on it because the clock battery was bad. He also asked which precinct was to be hand counted then went back to the computer and did something else to it. He also suggested to the election workers and Sherole that they have the board cheat on the recount in order to avoid a full hand count of the ballots. He was worried the hand count may not match the machine count.

The recounts were stopped in several counties including Hocking before they were completed despite objections. Some recounted in private without observers and said their results were fine.

The Triad representative met with the Board and an investigator for the prosecutor and explained he was just fixing the computer because the battery is bad. They said oh, okay, then there was no fraud. Similar occurrences happened in other counties.

In addition, Sherole was forced out on comp time and when she returned to work, was fired without a reason given. The board stated it depended on whether there was litigation or not when they were asked for a reason.

The Democrat board members who voted to fire Sherole Eaton were also asked to resign, but refused. They also voted for Diebold systems after having lunch with Diebold.

Franklin County Republicans received a donation from Diebold in the amount of $10,000 and we recently learned from the Columbus Dispatch Diebold was given $50,000 to PAC's of Blackwells interests.

The only paper trail Diebold offers is an approx 300 ft tape of an encrypted results. They refuse to give their source code to the state. We want paper ballots.

Democrat precincts in Columbus were given far too little machines for people to cast ballots on. Many waited for 6 hours then left without voting.

Okay, someone else take over and fill in the rest of the blanks.

http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm

vs the official numbers?

sitting on the scandal for over a month before the election-----
if the scandal breaks in sept the republicans are toast before the elections. oh well it really doesn`t matter at all anymore

consider PMing TruthIsAll. He's got all the stats and then some.

Good luck.

Or was that just a rumour?

:shrug:

the amount of votes per precinct, people told they weren't registered when they were, people given leaflets announcing the democrats don't vote until wednesday.....

keep reading ........there are volumes of problems with the Ohio election.

I summed up a lot of this material in my letter to Howard Dean, where I complained about the inadequacies of the DNC report:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=380878

What city was that in? Gee, I'm getting old, and can't remember.

Warren's vote tally walled off

Alone in Ohio, officials cited homeland security

By Erica Solvig
Enquirer staff writer


LEBANON - Citing concerns about potential terrorism, Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns.

County officials say they took the action Tuesday night for homeland security, although state elections officials said they didn't know of any other Ohio county that closed off its elections board. Media organizations protested, saying it violated the law and the public's rights. The Warren results, delayed for hours because of long lines that extended voting past the scheduled close of polls, were part of the last tallies that helped clinch President Bush's re-election.

"The media should have been permitted into the area where there was counting," Enquirer attorney Jack Greiner said. "This is a process that should be done in complete transparency and it wasn't."


More: http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html

Warren County, OH Vote Count Tallying Done in Secret
All Media Locked out of Counting due to "Homeland Security" Concerns
Warren County Bush Vote Nearly Highest in State!

Citing "homeland security concerns", Warren County, OH was alone in locking out media from their counting of ballots on Election Night. They were amongst the last to report their tallies...

Citing "homeland security concerns", Warren County, OH was alone in locking out media from their counting of ballots on Election Night. They were amongst the last to report their tallies that night, and according to Ohio's Election Night website Warren County ended up having the highest percentage of Bush votes amongst all of Ohio counties that had a total vote turnout greater than 22,500.

Link: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00000917.htm

edited to spell Keith's name correctly.

I was so busy with that scandal that I kinda missed everyhting else that was going on in Ohio at the time. We never did get anyone to tell us why they wouldn't let reporters in.

fradulent touch screen machines in several counties;

vote counting compilers in many counties controlled by partisan private companies, with remote access by partisan private companies

manipulation of voting machines denying enough machines to allow
minorities and students to vote in precincts with heavy populations
of such;

systematic dirty tricks to prevent minority voters from voting or
to manipulate the process so that they vote in the wrong precinct,
or have their votes counted using the wrong templet(multiple precinct voting locations with different templet order);

stuffing the ballot box in some counties, such as with absentees

manipulation of registration and absentee ballot processes to cause a large swing;

other types of manipulation and fraud by partisan officials and workers- as documented in the Greens recount process

Here is a summary distributed at the Nashville Conference on Ohio problems:
http://www.flcv.com/ohiosum.html

This was from a presentation at the Nashville Conference:

http://www.flcv.com/summary.html

By the early nineties, Tom W. Noe had a net worth of 2.4 million dollars and his coin business had sales over $6.4 million. Then the Blade reports:

By 1992, a year after his business had suffered what he called “a huge loss,” he figured he was more than $16,500 in debt.
As Mr. Noe tried to support a lifestyle that didn’t match his income, the financial strain was crushing
“I was liquidating assets as quickly as I could to appease banks so they wouldn’t foreclose on myself and my business,” he testified during divorce proceedings.

Despite the tough times, he continued to find money to give to politicians and others.
In 1991 and 1992 combined, court records show, Mr. Noe sent $29,200 to GOP politicians or the Republican Party and nearly $11,000 to charities.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050515/NEWS24/505150404/0/NEWS10

Tom Noe is under federal investigation regarding the loss of $ 12 million rare coins from the $ 50 million dollar investment by the Ohio Bureau of Workmens Comp (BWC).Bernadette Noe and Tom Noe both have links to the Lucas County BOE. Ms Noe was Chairperson of the Lucas County BOE during the past election. I hope you have taken the time to read the SOS's Investigation of Lucas county following the election:

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/elections/lucas.htm


This report includes the fact that REPUBLICAN VOLUNTEERS were allowed UNSUPERVISED ACCESS to UNSECURED BALLOTS prior to the election, as well as this list:

*failure to maintain ballot security
*Inability to implement and maintain a trackable system for voter ballot reconciliation .
*failure to prepare and develop a plan for the processing of the voluminous amount of voter registration forms received.
*issuance and acceptance of incorrect absentee ballot forms.
*manipulation of the process involving the 3% recount.
*disjointed implementation of the Directive regarding the removal of Nader and Camejo from the ballot .
*failure to properly issue hospital ballots in accordance with statutory requirements.
*failure to maintain the security of poll books during the official canvass
*failure to examine campaign finance reports in a timely manner.
*failure to guard and protect public documents.
*failure to guard and protect public documents ....etc.

Tom W. Noe served as the Chairman of the Lucas County Republican Party from 1992-1995 as well as on the board of the Lucas County Board of Election from 1993-2003. He was also appointed to the Ohio Board of regents in 1995.

http://www.regents.state.oh.us/people/noe.html

(Althought he did not possess a college degree, in fact he dropped out in his first year of college)

It was during his tenure on the BOE that Diebold machines were brought into Lucas County.

"TOLEDO, Ohio, May 10, 2002 ¯ Just about every county in the nation is rushing to update their voting technology, but no county to date has done it faster than Lucas County."
<snip>
"Lucas County Board of Elections Acting Chairman Tom Noe, who was present to observe the May 7th election, was pleased with the outcome. "I don't think there is another county in the nation that has implemented touch screen voting as quickly as Lucas County did for this trial run in a primary election," Noe said. "The people of Lucas County and of Ohio in general can be proud of this achievement.""
http://www.sequoiavote.com/mediadetail.php?id=57

http://www.diebold.com/news/newsdisp.asp?id=2997

Also Mr. Noe intervened with Blackwell in a court case:

Thomas W. Noe files to intervene in Democrat court Case v. BlackwellEdited on Fri May-27-05 05:57 PM by phoebe
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/docs/sandusky/doc5...

Also, please be aware of this information on Democratic Underground, which includes many interesting links:

/www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=371800&mesg_id=371800

There were so many problems concerning the election in Lucas County, including with the Diebold machines. Here is a report from an observer of the re-count in Lucas County:

December 22, 2004
 
Report from Recount Observer, Lucas County, Ohio
Emailed report from Lucas County, Ohio, Recount Observer:

i was a witness for the testing of the optiscan machines on tuesday the 14th.

what is puzzling to me, after the tests of the scanners were finished, the witnesses were not allowed to compare the hand count results to the printed results from the scanners. the ballots, the hand count sheets and the printed tapes were all taken away, to another room, out of sight of any witnesses and about 40 minutes later, the director comes out and tells us everything checks out.

we go to lunch and when we come back, we find ourselves waiting in the lobby. why? we were waiting for diebold to reprogram the scanners. what? didn't they just verify that everything was on the up and up? what is the need to reprogram the scanners?

also, during the testing process, one precinct, sylvania 3, continuously had the test ballots spit back out at least 3 times for approximatley 50% of them. during the election, how many times did this occur and what poll worker is going to stand there and continuosly feed the scanner to get it to scan 1 ballot? therefore, how many of the ballots were put in the spoiled pile that were really not spoiled?

another thing that was very interesting was the two people that i was witnessing actually did not know how to run the scanner. are they the type of people that were the normal who were overseeing the election? am i crazy? what is wrong with this picture?

after witnessing the fiasco of a test recount being conducted at the lucas county government center, i am definitely for scrapping this election and having a re- vote. there isn't any other way we are going to get a legitimate election.

Please also visit "Ohio Election 2004" athttp://ohioelection2004.com.

It was during his tenure on the BOE that Diebold machines were brought into Lucas County.

"TOLEDO, Ohio, May 10, 2002 ¯ Just about every county in the nation is rushing to update their voting technology, but no county to date has done it faster than Lucas County."
<snip>
"Lucas County Board of Elections Acting Chairman Tom Noe, who was present to observe the May 7th election, was pleased with the outcome. "I don't think there is another county in the nation that has implemented touch screen voting as quickly as Lucas County did for this trial run in a primary election," Noe said. "The people of Lucas County and of Ohio in general can be proud of this achievement.""
http://www.sequoiavote.com/mediadetail.php?id=57

http://www.diebold.com/news/newsdisp.asp?id=2997


RIGGING THE VOTE IN LUCAS COUNTY

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.
Revised December 24, 2004

-snip-

The very first thing we all noticed when examining the precinct
canvass records for Lucas County was the distribution of turnout.
The range is striking, and turnout is distinctly higher in the
Bush precincts than in the Kerry precincts. In some precincts
the reported turnout is too high to be credible.


PRECINCTS WITH HIGHEST TURNOUT, TOLEDO SUBURBS

Precinct Turnout Bush Kerry

MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 10 92.67 217 161
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 11 92.46 424 298
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP J 91.97 84 40
OREGON 16 89.46 186 210
MAUMEE 18 89.44 205 190
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 7 87.78 285 151
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 9 87.58 195 78
RICHFIELD TOWNSHIP 2 86.76 105 83
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP K 86.74 338 177
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP I 86.48 270 184
SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP 25 86.17 230 116
OREGON 5 86.09 382 390
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 5 85.96 365 181
MAUMEE 12 85.48 197 262
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 7 85.36 328 189
OREGON 15 85.23 189 287
YLVANIA CITY 18 85.05 434 214
SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP 9 84.98 297 147
SYLVANIA CITY 10 84.87 254 157
SYLVANIA CITY 21 84.87 516 295
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP H 84.85 211 122
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 3 84.56 356 304
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 6 84.48 293 183
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 9 84.31 542 260
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP CC 84.21 262 194


Turnout above 90% is almost unheard of. I have examined the
canvass records in eight other Ohio counties and have seen
reported turnout above 90% only in two precincts in Miami County
where, in my professional opinion, the election was hacked.
Miami and Lucas counties are also the only two counties whose
records I have examined that used optical scanning machines, as
confirmed by the map posted at

verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5std&state=Ohio



Altogether there were 63 precincts in Toledo with less than 60%
reported turnout. All of them were won overwhelmingly by John
Kerry. The vote in the aggregate was 19,353 to 4,247, more than
4.5 to 1. But look at the distribution, or more precisely, the
concentration. Of the 8 precincts with less than 50% reported
turnout, 4 are located in 2 wards. Of the 29 precincts with less
than 55% reported turnout, 20 are located in 4 wards, and 24 are
located in 6 wards. Of the 63 precincts with less than 60%
reported turnout, 34 are located in 4 wards, 39 are located in
5 wards, and 43 are located in 6 wards.

/web.northnet.org/minstrel/toledo.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/toledo.htm

December 22, 2004
 
Report from Recount Observer, Lucas County, Ohio
Emailed report from Lucas County, Ohio, Recount Observer:

i was a witness for the testing of the optiscan machines on tuesday the 14th.

what is puzzling to me, after the tests of the scanners were finished, the witnesses were not allowed to compare the hand count results to the printed results from the scanners. the ballots, the hand count sheets and the printed tapes were all taken away, to another room, out of sight of any witnesses and about 40 minutes later, the director comes out and tells us everything checks out.

we go to lunch and when we come back, we find ourselves waiting in the lobby. why? we were waiting for diebold to reprogram the scanners. what? didn't they just verify that everything was on the up and up? what is the need to reprogram the scanners?

also, during the testing process, one precinct, sylvania 3, continuously had the test ballots spit back out at least 3 times for approximatley 50% of them. during the election, how many times did this occur and what poll worker is going to stand there and continuosly feed the scanner to get it to scan 1 ballot? therefore, how many of the ballots were put in the spoiled pile that were really not spoiled?

another thing that was very interesting was the two people that i was witnessing actually did not know how to run the scanner. are they the type of people that were the normal who were overseeing the election? am i crazy? what is wrong with this picture?

after witnessing the fiasco of a test recount being conducted at the lucas county government center, i am definitely for scrapping this election and having a re- vote. there isn't any other way we are going to get a legitimate election.

Please also visit "Ohio Election 2004" athttp://ohioelection2004.com.


Looking at the GEMS official results I noticed a weird discrepancy:

First, Presidential results from Lucas:

Badnarik 294
bu$h 87,106 (39.56%)
Kerry 132,537 (60.19%)
Cobb 8
Schriner 2

TOTAL VOTES: 220,190 with 495 precinct in Lucas

Now.. there are 2 congressional districts in Lucas County: District 9 and District 5

Here are the results for DISTRICT 9 CONGRESSIONAL SEAT(which obviously includes Toledo):

Kaczala (R) 60,949
Kaptur (D) 145,998

TOTAL VOTES: 206,947 with 478 precincts

DISTRICT 5 CONGRESSIONAL SEAT:

Gillmor (R) 5,497
Weirsuch(D) 3,277

TOTAL VOTES: 8,774 with 17 precincts

********
Total Votes in the County for PRESIDENT=220,190
Total Votes for the county for CONGRESS=215,721

Now it is understandable that more people might vote for president while leaving a congress vote blank, but...

Total Dem Votes in County for President = 132,537 while
Total Dem Votes in County for Congress = 149,275

that equates to 16,738 more dem votes for congress than dem votes for president AND

Marcy KAPTUR IN DISTRICT 9 (WITH 478 PRECINCTS AND A TOTAL OF 206,947 POSSIBLE VOTES) HAD 13,461 MORE VOTES THAN KERRY!