Kerry is the only one who can really bring the "questions" to major media.

News reports keep focusing on FRAUD, CONSPIRACY, COVER-UPS and other frightening concpts which are designed to get the ideas summarily dismissed. It works. People just aren't ready for it. They dismiss the questioner as a lunatic and never discredit their assertions with facts. (Discrediting concerns over hard numbers would be impossible to do in many cases.) Instead, why not talk more about "vulnerabilities, questionable patterns, systemic flaws" and more tolerable concepts that will get people to start thinking? We don't need to conclude for anyone at this point in the process--we just want them to debate the facts.

The only man who can generate this kind of mainstream discussion, however, is JFK. He should throw a vague 2-line barb to the media to the effect that they are looking into the "new voting patterns."

Official Election Results--the stats we decide elections with--indicate that thousands of votes were unquestionably lost and/or stolen in this year’s election, so one does not need to believe there has been fraud to question the process. These injustices are at best unacceptable, systemic flaws and at worst, fraudulent practices in an unfair system.

I suspect we're dooooommmmmed.

Seriously, Senator Roll Over hasn't been much of a leader of recent. Notice?

I see him raise a pinkie every time he drinks a sip of water!

(waves)I see you.

from Kerry would be taken as sour grapes. If investigations, recounts & revotes proved fruitless, Kerry would be ruined forever. On the other hand, if the investigation reveals enough to turn things around, THEN it would be appropriate for Kerry to step up.

Just like the campaign, cautiously weighing every decision. Compaired to Bush who had two ideas in his life and stuck with them. I see Kerry thinking there's a chance, wants to do it, to speak up, but has carefully analyzed. Without finding all out fraud - like voting machine manipulation, there simply aren't enough votes. So he if he pursues he won't gain anything. And if he wants to run again, well that could hurt him.

It is just like all of us had in the far reaches of our mind but didn't want to acknowlege. He probably is as indecisive as they are saying. But, hell I'll take indecisive over crooked lying stupid warmonger anyday.

being too soft and self conscious. If this were to be reThugs clamoring for investigations into voting fraud by democrats, the reThugs will be going gangbuster all over the place. Even their standard bearer will be unconcerned one iota with how they come across in public perception - infact they will set the stage with their media propanganda such that the media will be strongly on their side. But noooooooooooooo way with the democrats. We fear for our image, yet the image is so tarnished. We hope for fairness, yet we are afraid to loudly and insistently demand it. I am afraid we are our own worst enemies because we bend backwards to make our opponents love us but we get kicked all the time and rarely do anything to prevent it. When are we going to take a stand for ourselves?

Instead, we have to angle in such a way as to plan for the media backlash before it hits the public. Repukes know their naked comments will go unchallenged. The media is on Bush's payroll. that's why we can't react in a more natural way.

I am enraged and I am not gonna take any more of this. We have to be the light...on America and for the world.

Everyone all over the world is praying for us to beat this sinister turn in the affairs of America. We have to do our part...turn off the reality TV and realize...this is the best and the craziest reality that we will ever see. We all need to make the phone calls, overwhelm the news organizations with this information and MAKE them deal with it. If the editors are burying this stuff...the biggest story ever perhaps...We have to be the impetus for any and all news sources to break this bigtime. We must be vigilant. We cannot afford to let this go by.

I recently read a great biography of Winston Churchill...he was the ONE voice of sanity in keeping the Germans from invading England...he did that with his VOICE folks. It is thought that his radio messages to the world led Hitler to believe they were stronger than they actually were. He is the one thing that saved the world from the spread of Hitler to my birthplace. He was considered a war monger by some...my grandparents. Being a warning light in the coming darkness is not a warmonger. He WAS the light in the darkness, and the only one on at the time...or the one who barked the loudest. It took a while before people listened...but if one voice can do what he achieved and save the Empire...imagine what the likes of thousands and thousands of us can do with our voices, and now we have email, faxes, etc. We CAN DO THIS.

We have to unveil the injustice, that if not dealt with...will forever change the course of history, not only for us, but for the world. Could you ever have believed that America would resort to a semi-facist state? At least Ashcroft resigned today...but I am sure another is taking his place to fill in the holes that Patriot Act I leaves. I have read it and am learning more every day. there are not many holes to fill. We are not only fighting for vote fraud...we are fighting for the very thing that makes America...AMERICA! Everyone around the world is looking to us to validate and defend our right to vote, that we all have the right to vote, unhampered by partisan meddling on the Nov. 2...that is our day...the people's day to speak. We spoke and our voice and our vote was fraudulently taken from us...are we going to lie down and allow that? I WILL NOT! America needs us and we have to defend and fight our own "WAR on TERROR" here in America.


There is a quote in Senator Byrd's book "Losing America", absolutely one of the best books about what is and has been occurring in our country from a 50 year Senator...G.M. Gilbert interviewing Hermann Goering of the "Nuremberg Diary"...as they are discussing how the "common people do not appreciate their leaders for bringing them war and destruction." Goering says,"...But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." Gilbert points out, "There is one difference, in a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States, only Congress can declare wars." Goering goes on to chillingly say, "Oh, that is all well and good, but voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is the easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce all the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."


Well...is that not what has happened and what has resulted in the quagmire we are in now? We are not pacifists for wanting to use common sense and wisdom in settling foreign affairs. Just because we are extolling caution does not mean we are easy on terror. We are supposed to use force when we need to, not because we can. The terror that we have been exposed to in this country over the last few years, and which will escalate in the years to come if we do nothing now, will not be terror of bombs...but of words of terror that rip out the heart of America. One that will make one side go against the other. This election is the critical point in history that determines whether we move forward into the twenty-first century, or go backwards to tyranny. Have we come this far, to break the Berlin wall, to undermine the bonds of Apartheid, to de-escalate the nuclear threat, to name only a few...to go back to all out world terror. This salvation of this election from fraud...is part of that. Do we save Iraq and the Middle East from terror only to lose ourselved in the process. Can we not sift the real from the unreal?

We must...or GOD can only save us, if we cannot save ourselves. We must stand up the the fraud in the vote, stand up to the desecration of America, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and for ourselves. We have a strong legacy of standing up for the right things...that is what made us great...and looked up to as the Light on the Hill for all people. Are we to let the light go out and transcend into the abyss at our greatest hour? The TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE! The truth of what has happened on November 2, 2004, and probably happened November 2, 2000, can never happen again! EVER! So, let us create the most intense campaign that our Democracy has ever seen...and stand up for Lady Liberty...and let the light shine for all who seek justice and liberty, and freedom and the ability to know the difference.

We have only a short span of time to achieve the impossible...to create a miracle...to push back the darkness that threatens to swallow us whole, if we do nothing. That is assured. Do not think that if we just go back to our tv programs...this will go away. It will not. If we ever fought for anything, we MUST, we HAVE to fight for this. If not...we will regret it for the rest of our lives, and our childrens, and their children's. Believe it...This is the defining moment and our D-DAY! We must rise to the challenge...move every inch of our beings, to fight for our beliefs and our future. Will the history books one day speak of those that were afraid to raise their voices to save America? We go out and spend trillions saving the world...can we not expend a little energy for AMERICA?

Please hear this message...my whole soul is expending what I feel in my heart. STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY...IT NEEDS YOU...DO NOT FORSAKE IT...USE YOUR VOICE AND YOUR HEARTS TO SAVE AMERICA...SHE HAS BEEN DEALT A TERRIBLE BLOW...SHE NEEDS THE PEOPLE TO SAVE HER. Many have tried to warn us and now we must listen...so to your battle stations...every one...we have an immense job to do...and this is one we cannot afford to lose because we are afraid for our jobs to speak out. Afraid what people will say. Imagine that we save the day...then they will allbe so proud. Think on that...feel proud...do not allow the very principles upon which our great nation began. As Senator Byrd says, "NOW is the time to regain the Constitution that our forefathers so wisely left, a time to return to the values and principles that made America great. Too many have us have gone passively along, aiding and abetting a dangerous process."

Please, let us stand up for AMERICAN VALUES...for what Democracy and Freedom is all about. THE PEOPLE...MUST SPEAK. God Bless this great nation in its darkest hour...and deliver us from evil. Help us to work together to achieve what we were meant to...the American Dream is not a fraud. Our right to vote and be counted is a basic right. DEFEND THAT RIGHT!

THANK YOU!!

All he'd have to say is-

"It's come to my attention that there is evidence of a general failure of our electoral process. I've seen enough incidences of vote problems to think we should move to recount Florida and Ohio accurately and put an end to this speculation."

MSM would be hard pressed not to give that coverage, I think.

It is. We gotta fight this one. We cannot expect white knights and unicorns.

On edit: This is one for hobbits.

If Kerry does nothing, we are fucked period. I dont care how many people email, call the media, etc.. IT MEANS DICK UNLESS KERRY STEPS UP...PERIOD!

go away now.

who conceded the next morning? Couldn't he at least wait a few days? Did he know that morning that Repugnants were entering numbers into computers just the night before, numbers like 4,000 or 6,000 votes for Bush without bothering to even check that there were only 400 or 600 registered voters in those particular precincts?

FAT CHANCE THE COWARD WILL SPEAK OUT.

Sorry, but it's the truth.

I'm not doing this for Kerry, I'm doing this for democracy. Even if Bush stays in power, I want the votes counted and if there is fraud I want heads to roll. Even if it's only KKKarl Roves fat head. I want my country back, I want my party back.

Kerry will step up to the plate. Why give the republicans a chance to start attacking again. That's what they would like to do, to take the focus off of them. Let's have some patience.

this *has* to be fought and won by the people. this is our revolution. this is where we either take the country back -- or find a church to hide in (how do a solve a problem like maria... )

Not only does he need hard evidence before he steps forward, it needs to be enough evidenc for him to step forward and declare victory. Making a big deal about it, finding out that its true, and still losing is not acceptable. He is smart, and he will only do it if he knows he can win.

This is where we come in: we have to put pressure on for an investigation, and specifically pressure the Democratic party (not just Kerry) to support an investigation. They are our last line of hope.

to get the ball rolling and let Kerry stay behind the scene at this time. Remember what happened to Al Gore when he was fighting for the recounts. He was called sore loser and dragged out so long that even the democrats got tired of the whole thing and turned against Gore. We can't let that happen this time.

Lets all be honest, at the moment he's covering both bases because whilst there is heaps of circumstantial (in a court of law) evidence that the vote was rigged, there is no Definitive proof that the election was stolen.

By keeping quiet right now he keeps all options open:

1) real, undeniable proof arises that the result was fixed:

He can stand up and say he conceded because he never imagined that the Repukes would stoop so low as to rig a presidential election.

outcome - Kerry is president, Repukes are a minority party for 20 years, because they lose all moral high ground. They are after all thieves

2) Nothing comes of it, no real PROOF of fraWd comes to the surface:

He can run for President 08, and is seen as a stand up guy who conceded when he had 'lost' and got 'back on the horse' , 'pulled himself up by the bootstraps' and 'got it done'

Compare this to what happens if he screams FRAWD right now:

a) real, undeniable proof arises that the result was fixed:

He is no better off than he is in #1 above.

outcome - Same as above, he is president

b) Nothing comes of it, no real PROOF of fraWd comes to the surface:

He is seen as a 'whiny loser' who 'didn't know when he was beat'

Outcome - Loses all credibility and all political ambitions are down the drain.

What would you do

and that I can do an end run around all your posited alternatives by saying that so many are doubting the process that we need a recount to stop the speculation and restore confidence in the system.

As to whether he will be able to run and win in 2008, well, he's angered a lot of the people who supported him.

I'm not a Democrat (I'm a liberal Republican in exile, nowadays in local elections a VT Progressive). Unless something drastic happens to change my mind, this past election is the last time I will work or vote for a Democrat. Right now I feel that my vote was wasted, and in fact I'd have used it more wisely voting Green.

I will however run against a Democrat: I'm leaning towards running for Justice of the Peace in '06, so that I can stand guard over the county voter rolls and protect them from both the predators and the spineless.