CNN/Aaron Brown: "Internet chatter about fraud growing"

...that was a paraphrase, can't tell whether it will be positive, negative, or objective. But it's coming up on the next segment.

Will they raise the terror threat level based on this "chatter"?

......."electoral terrorists of the highest order". :evilgrin:

They claim that by letting people know how bad the system is we scare people away from voting. :crazy:

They'll just add our phantom votes to their databases, anyway. Why bother going to all the trouble of voting?! Sheesh.

You're absolutely right: :crazy:

ignore the challengers at polling places, detective in a van, the letters telling people all kinds of BS... concentrate on the people discussing it!

oh and ignore the record turnout, too, guys.

Always did.

It was actually more balanced than I was expecting. They had a political science professor from MIT, and a spokesperson from electionline.org, basically saying no one is expecting to uncover massive conspiracy to flip the election, but want to investigate the irregularities.

They keep dismissing that example but weren't there 25 other counties with simialr flipped numbers - not in Dixiecrat areas??

They didn't dismiss it all... We need some fraud/hacking proof - what happened to the Guy James story in FL with the FBI going to see Fisher?? Anymore on that?

I have been messing around with the Florida charts all week.
16 of the counties had results that look as if they had been transposed, or flipped (eg Suwannee Co: 4,236 expected Rep -11,145 actual Rep votes, and 10,035 expected Dem - 4,513 actual Dem votes). All those counties used the opti-scan machines, and Bush won in all 16 counties.

24 Counties had results that looked heavily padded, and/or skimmed, and/or both. Opti-scans were used in all but 2 of those counties, and Bush won 22 of these counties.

The remaining 27 counties (unless I missed 1 or a few) had votes that seemed reasonable (or at least somewhat reasonable) based on numbers alone. Of those counties, 9 were won by Kerry.There was a mix of OPti-scan and touch screen, which didnt seem to have any correlation to any pattern...

Bottom line is that in 38 of 40 opti-scan counties with the most messed up, flipped, padded and/or skimmed results, Bush won.

In the 27 counties with results that were reasonably in line with the demographics (that I know of), Kerry won 1/3...

You should e-mail them and point this out; the "dixiecrat" theory only seems to account for a fraction of the FL anomalies.

Maybe I will email it to them. I wasn't sure if I was saying anything that hadn't already been said.

Just count the paper ballots tha tthe machine scans. How hard can that be? I could probably do it single handed in a day or two.

eowyn-

could you calculate JK's net pick up if the flipped county votes were corrected??
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or program machines to count backwards, do you?

election - but his damn supporters probably did.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

bev harris using a little-known OH law to get a recount - needs 10 bucks per precinct in OH by next friday...

http://helpamericarecount.org/

Meh.....there goes my donation. I think I'll spend the money on beer instead. :party:

What is the most convincing evidence we have thus far?

who pushed Kerry on touchscreens in New Mexico saw Bush listed on the confirmation screen.

Maybe this an accident and not 'fraud,' but I regard that as a good reason for a new vote.

Aren't they still counting in New Mexico?

If people didn't verify their vote (and I'm sure many didn't!) then not only did it ADD a vote to * but it Took away a vote from Kerry
so it was more like 2 votes and I think that's a really important point!

100 100 = tie
+1 vote -1 vote
--- ----
101 vote 99 votes = +2pnts *do it again*
+1 -1
--- ----
102 98 = +4pnts Just by moving 2 votes!

*do that enough & soon you have a mandate!*

who called in to NPR the night before the election who worked with Emily's list, and was talking about how she had helped to GOTV, (during the early voting) and had been told by eight to ten people that same thing was occurring. I didn't catch her name, or what part of FL it was. Maybe someone could try contacting Emily's List? She had said other volunteers were also reporting the same thing.

some DUers able to vote early had this experience. They described exactly the same circumstance. They sais they had to clear the "ballot" and try again, after a few tries their votes were finally confirmed correctly. I also saw a woman on CNN on election night describing exactly the same thing. She insisted that an on-site attorney witness the scene and demanded that the faulty machine be removed from the floor. The election officials said it was voter error but when they checked her process back it was clear that she had indeed voted correctly for Kerry.

line was "one person's isolated incident is another's widespread" (verbatim) in reference to an account in Florida of a voter trying to vote for Kerry and the touchscreen confirming a Bush vote.. This last line was said sarcastically in my opinion and pissed me off.. yeah it's great they even mentioned it but it was nothing like the MS NBC coverage..

Are there any out there making aconvincing case?

"one person's isolated incident is another's widespread"
I think that could be taken either way, and maybe that is CNN's way of playing safe.

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Not serious enough for you?

But I'm not going to let them know what they're about to get hit with. Sorry! :evilgrin:

If you check around some of the other forums here you might get a few clues. :)

There are some threads in this forum that have a list of links to the research threads. Right now, the "convincing case" is not in our hands, so much as DUers have been doing a TON of research, so that someone can use our research to MAKE the proper case.

From what I understand so far, there IS a case being made in New York, where a NY State Representative contest was challenged, and there is evidence of fraud....or at the least, "glitches" that can't be explained.

What has impressed so many of us here....it appears that, coincidentally enough, ALL of the "glitches" just HAPPEN to favor the republican party. Just lots and lots and lots and lots of coincidences all strung together....NOT a "conspiracy", mind you.

:hi::toast::beer: Again, Welcome to DU!! :party::silly::hi:

:kick::kick::kick:

Conspiracy is so harsh!

will more than back-up our suspicions of the nonsensical and highly-questionable numbers coming out of that state.

There are too many cases in Ohio to cite.

Huh?

comparing that to that piece of trash article in Washington Post here in "LBN" Forum is an incredible "side by side" view of competent journalism versus hack attack (WaPo article).

I don't imagine CBS will be able to keep this up once Thornberg releases his report condemning Rather and Mary Maples for "going overboard" with the AWOL story...but at least until then they can still put decent stuff out on their website..

and welcome to DU!

lawyers in OHIO (yesterdays's news actually).
Rather neutral--just saying that that they are on a fact finding mission --But this tells tells me that the media is interested!!--although lazy for not doing any substantive investating is this issue (except for Keith O.).

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

If it's that asswipe, it certainly WON'T be positive.

Why don't they report the numbers?

Repub neighbors won't think twice about us when we disappear in the night sometime.

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what a world we now live in }(

chatter....
:7 love the term "chatter." It makes us sound like a chattel of chipmonks.... or, more boldly, our old friend Will S. said:
"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing." Chatter.... let them think that.
Chatter, isn't that what they said about the terrorists' conversation on the internet before 9-11?
Chatter. Let them ignore us...
WE KNOW THE TRUTH!

I don't usually watch Fox but Brit Hume's show was on at a restaurant I was in this evening. He and John Fund were trying to explain away the "internet conspiracy theories" about election fraud. I could not hear it well enough to provide specifics of their conversation.

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see this posted anywhere, just this post and the one about NBC News covering this subject. I am too new to do a new subject, so thought I would add this info here in case anyone wants to check out their "spin" in the later edition of this show. At least they have to cover it!!!

...ruined my meal - off to find something for upset stomach!

spinning their version of damage control.

The diminutive used by these mental and moral giants when referring to the learned, cultured, and thoughtful exchange of ideas, information, evidence and well supported conclusions that constitute the bulk of internet traffic (at least here at DU,) now needs to be in constant use by us when referring to the idle, puerile, socially retarded chatter that makes up the vast majority of the infotainment "media," delivered and sold to non-critical, slackjawed, treacle-minded consumers with no noticeable motivation to go beyond that universally available mental fellatio.

(Those dumbass suckbrains voluntarily ceded their positions of intellectual authority to analyze important news developments)

Dear Sir,

Kansas City had it's first "Stolen Election" meeting this evening at a Public Library. Contrary to mainstream corporate media reports, they were not tin foil hat wearers, but a cross representation of America. People are extremely upset. This meeting was very difficult to learn about, yet 60 to 70 people crammed into a small meeting room.
CNN does not serve itself well by making light of this story. It will be covered and probably in ways that mainstream media has yet to imagine. We have not had this kind of anger and dissent since the 60's and people are no longer frightened about speaking out.
The winner tonight was MSNBC. Everyone was very pleased that they are covering the story, because frankly, the silence was the absolute wrong way to go. It made people even more determined. We are hearing of neighbors contacting neigbors all over this country to speak to this issue.
I'm sure you have the resources to find the jaw dropping facts. By the way, so many of us worked the elections this time, we are also eye witnesses to our precincts as we are there all day. May I suggest blackboxvoting.org or democraticunderground.com
Not stupid people are they.
Thank you.

With only a couple of let-downs, I've come to believe that he's a closet liberal. I finally was convinced, ages ago, when he had Al Franken as a guest, and kept insisting that he come out and call Bush* a liar, which he, finally, did. Not shocking for us, now, since we know that this is true, but it was, especially for CNN, back then.:shrug:

an issue as important as the elections!!
Anybody know Aaron's email address please?

CNN, Aaron Brown, aaron.brown@turner.com
CNN, Aaron Brown, comment, http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form4.html?3

Olberman and Brown do NOT have freedom of speech. They get to spin a little Internet CT stuff so they and CNN can APPEAR objective and a maybe even a little liberal and a bit balanced. The only good we can extract from this it that it shows the fraud issue is really BIG and growing bigger by the second.Too bad something like this didn't happen with 9/11 internet investigations three years ago. We might have been able to avoid Iraq as well as a second or third stolen election.