WOW!! Aaron Brown is covering fraud "conspiracy theory"

At least he's covering it.

It's a conspiracy theory to conservaitves.
It's fraud to DU.

Stopped election nite when they changed the tallies.
Now, I just wanted to see what Aaron had to say...Nothing much.

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Starting to get to you, isn't it? Stay tuned. There is a lot more.

beat the MOE between exit polls and reported votes in 8 of 17 battleground states.

The news is George W. Bush is the luckiest man alive.

mentioned only the most benign irregularities and totally glossed over the more egregious ones.

which is too bad since he could really make a name for himself if he had the balls to report the truth.

I think he said he had over 2000 emails asking about the electronic voting machine "glitches". The other guy (didn't catch his name) was playing it very cautious. Said there was anecdotal complaints of votes for dems glitched to *. Aaron said something about one voters anecdote could mean widespread. Don't watch CNN so not sure what kind of spin they were trying for.

May I suggest that we send Mr. Brown some factual feed back such as that startling graph showing the exit polls and some historcal data on the accuracy of these polls? He's a pretty thoughtful guy for the most part and I think we might have a shot at shifting his perception with some clear, rational, non-partisan data. Anyone have and email address for him? It's worth a try. Shifting from conspiracy to fraud is too big for now- we need him to shift only from conspiracy to consideration. Serious consideration of course- but we can only take one step at a time with most reporters who need documented proof before they can embrace a story.

Haven't seen the bit but don't expect much from him judging from my experience.

He went for the big-bucks and sold his soul to CNN.

We'll see...

I think that is a good idea to send Aaron Brown some info, I think if he believed these reports to be facts and not speculation he would be more outspoken. BTW,there is a good list of election problems @votersunite.org/electionproblems

each 1 teach 1

conspiracies. Please. It will help with credibility.

Though you will have to go thru and cull the good stuff:

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Two different letters in these threads may be a little more help:

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You sound pretty thoughtful as well.

If it has not been spoon-fed to (apparently lazy) Aaron yet, he can certainly gather it up from the same sources we have.

He certainly makes much more money than TruthIsAll and other DUers whom are probably not making a penny from their efforts.

But maybe someone higher-up edits his scripts for him?

the election coverage.

tells you shitty journalism is being plopped out of your tv.

Calling something a Conspiracy theory is the kiss of death.

I haven't seen nor read the report for myself, so I'll hold off on telling Mr. Brown to go bugger himself.

In fact, in this election cycle, the shitty, shitty little Republican party has gone from calling people whiners, to calling them "conspiracy theorists", an indicator of how deeply corrupt their shenanigans have become.

Whining is no longer a sufficient enough insult to us in the face of their crimes.

I just don't understand why the few media that will touch this story ignore some of the most basic facts that we all already know. Why can't they report these simple facts: 1. The republican connections to Diebold and ESS. 2.No paper trail meaning recount is impossible 3. the insecurities of these machines. I coudl go on and on with these facts. I wish every one of these stories would have one of the ten million NONPARTISAN computer experts on the air to tell the country how insecure and open to hacking and fraud these machines are. THE REBPUBLICANS OWN AND OPERATE THE MACHINES. REPORT THAT DAMMIT!!!!

My opinion is let them call it whatever they want. As long as we get the hand recounts, who cares ;)

is more important than reality in winning over a percentage of the electorate.

1) There are many indicators of voter fraud
2) Some people believe the republicans conspired to steal the election

Why don't they just concentrate on #1 for now. That's where all the data is!!

then we win - Mahatma Gandhi

peace

He did an entire series on the many problems going on before the election.

There has to be a lock down. He's had the experts on previously,
they know about the many computer scientists releasing papers
blasting the system.

Now there are so many irregularities and they are silent.

What happened to objective investigative journalism?

Professors aren't going to come out and claim some crap or run statistical analysis that are not based on science.

Their careers are staked on being factual, accurate.

It always seemed to me he has more integrity than the rest of the CNN talking heads. He was covering the dire state of the economy and outsourcing of jobs - while his co-horts were pounding the war drums. I've seen him get into some pretty good tussles with guests to get them to admit this country was in trouble economically.

So, I think if anybody at CNN would go out on a limb with this story it would be Dobbs. But then I don't know how badly he needs to keep his job.

He would be more likely to respond with to carefully documented technical data about the problems with the machines, imho.

I have a great deal of respect for him, But who knows what he thinks at this point?

He's on my "To write" list

why he's gotten away with it for so long.

But, he seems to really be towing the line right now...

I think CNN "executive producer" has a strangle hold on the network frankly.

They have been going downhill for a long time, turning point 2000
and Lou has been the hold out.

Today I heard on multiple TV channels how the economy is doing great..

UNBELIEVABLE total misinformation.

Record trade deficit was taken very badly today and the Euro is now $1.3
to the dollar...that's an amazing slide.

ABC news and Oregon local news. Oregon has the worse unemployment
rate in the nation.

courage. But so far, nada. I need to start a media fact sheet with links to the statistical analysis, the Diebold, ES and S, Sequoia B* connection, etc. and start getting those e-mails and LTTE's out.

doesn't have to be concerned about loosing their job!!

While the report did indeed suck, I agree that having any report even if it is bad, is better than no report at all. And Arafat died just minutes after the report aired. So if Arafat had died a few minutes earlier the Aaron Brown report would have never made it on the air.

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Nothing to lose by sending him the facts, something as concise and compelling as possible, with reputable sources.

I'm sorry I can't really take this on myself right now, but I've seen other good drafts of letters on this site.

It does concern me that the description of what he said sounds like a possible attempt to completely de-fang us, so that even once the evidence gets out, people will think they already "know" it's been discounted.

coverage, beginning with Keith Olbermann and online and newspaper articles...I'll check.

BTW: Did you ever get your exit poll data? Please post it if you can, once and if it's retrieved.

I Got some of the exit poll data - working on the rest...
But you may have seen that it's here..

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm

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they can figure it out and change conspiricy theory to fact later on.

use the straw man approach. They set up the data with a false pretense that has nothing to do with what we are working on and then they shoot it down.

No one will say or mention that the exit polls were right-on in non-swing states but way -off in the swing states.

That WA Post. article was a case study in setting up a strawman and shooting it down.

Nobody on the left called it a conspiracy, ever. We maintained the machines are defective right from the start. Those in charge of the machines are guilty of culpable negligence for not testing the machines and having the software verified by uninvolved, nonpartisan third parties.

The American electorate was used as a beta test group. This is exactly what software companies have been doing for years.

What implicates the GOP and bush is the close network of connections between bush supporters and these evoting machine companies. If they had wholeheartedly supported Kerry, and the machines had skewed the numbers so badly from the exit polls -- even if both were in Kerry's favor -- then the Republicans would be demanding exactly what we're demanding.

We want the truth. That's it. This cloud hanging over the election has got to be removed. And those machines have to be examined, hardware and software, until there is no doubt left in any reasonable mind.

I think the thing that you are going to see when this all does hit MSM is that they will only mention the little glitches, the irregularities that really don't make a lot of difference in order to paint a "Conspiracy Theory" gone bad type of scenario.
They aren't going to show the maps and they aren't going to show the total improbabilities of the actual statistics of what happened...actually happening. They aren't going to show the real meaty information outside of Keith Olbermann and Democrat friendly venues.
If there is a media lockdown...then I am sure "someone"(Rove) is trickling down the information that the masses are "allowed" to have in order to dilute the story so that people will hear it and say "Oh is that all?" and go on with their lives and not pay any more attention to it. MSM will pick up on the apathy and stop reporting it and drop it down to "nuisance" status (where have we heard that before?"
The trick I think is to NOT keep sending our material that is, without a doubt, exceptional to these sources...who, in turn, are turning it over to "The Sanitator" to spin and regurgitate it back to the masses.
I think if we have toleave it in the hands of ONE MSM source which we trust and have already found him to be friendly..and let him break it wide open. Don't give the other side a chance to use our information against us and dilute it down to mere pettiness and jealousy over our candidate not winning the election.
That is my humble opinion.

Yeah, he mentioned it last night and surprised me. Good job Aaron!!