Did y'all see the FULL PAGE AD in NYT?

THIS WAS A FULL PAGED AD IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, I BELIEVE THE DATE WAS 10/7.



CHECK OUT THE HI-RES PDF:
http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/ElectionFraud_9%2028_656_Final.pdf

apparently funded by People for Fair Elections.

thanks to Brad Friedman for pointing this out!

Makes me wish I were a billionaire. I'd run these ads in every newspaper from October to November next year.

put into place. These ads need to run now so we can trust the vote next year. Wish I had the money to do it too!

Kicked. Recommended.

A MILLION THANKS TO WHOEVER DID FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART!

their address is given at the bottom of the ad. I can't find any website for them. they only give a mailing address.

People for Fair Elections, 1718 M St. NW #190, Washington, D.C. 20036-4504

Thx.

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The Irony is that Deibold makes ATM machines and voting machines.

It's a demonstration that our Govv't doesn't want to pay the additional cost for paper receipts!

As much as I don't trust the programing of the voting machines, last yeat Dibold said they could easily provied paper receipts. All they needed was the order and the $$!

and they had been saying that it's impossible to produce a paper trail on their DREs, which was an outright lie. now their paper trail machines just print on a roll and the print is so small you need a magnifying glass to read it and it's on heat-sensitive paper that degrades quickly.... all the meanwhile their ATMs produce a real paper receipt that is completely legible and uses INK instead of HEAT.

they are all liars. they could make decent voting machines if they wanted to.

Most of the ATM machines use thermal printers now. The older ones still use ink of course. But the thermal print lasts fairly well up to 6 months. It can last longer if it's kept away from warm or hot conditions.

They do seem to use ink though.

And sure they can print VVPATs! It's not rocket science.

There are at least 3 other issues:

1. Will they be printed to reproduce what's on the Summary Screen, which is still NOT necessarily the vote that's being recorded the DRE database?

2. Will the paper "receipts" ever be used in audits or recounts and if so will they be the vote of record?

3. Will the voters be educated to look at the VVPATs and make sure they at least match the Summary Screen, and if not, what's the procedure going to be to get them to match the voter's intent?

paper trail, sort of like an ATM? Seems simple, and we might even get our votes counted! :toast:

the first step is creating a paper trail. But read this next line if you care about your democracy:

IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO CREATE A PAPER TRAIL!!!

The next step, which is just as important, is to AUDIT THE SYSTEM. That means, to randomly selection a certain percentage of the paper "trails" and make sure they were counted properly.

If the paper trails just sit in a pile and are never checked against the machine count, they are worthless. They might as well be in the garbage.

my vote information on a website that can be checked as many times as needed to make sure that the vote I cast is the same as the one reported and that it never switches at any time. If it does, I should have the right to sue for a recount.

race in Ohio because of HUMIDITY, I shook my head.

All the banks in Florida use Diebold. And if the ATMs at the banks went down everytime it got humid in FL, Diebold would be bankrupt. No corporation would put up with that. Why must the voters?

I talked with someone involved in his campaign and he doesn't know enough about it to question the results. now that he's going for a bigger prize he really needs to hear it. if you live in ohio call him regularly and tell him he needs to question the results and that his election is going to be stolen.

... didn't do anything about it when the fraud was obvious. It doesn't suggest that he's ready to run as a Democrat for anything in Ohio, where every race that can be stolen by the Republi-Nazis will be stolen.

I just got off the phone with PAUL HACKETT!

We really MUST educate these candidates - a candidate who stands and REFUSES to concede - would be hugely important!

Thanx GaryBeck -- :yourock:

first of all, someone put together the cash to pay for this ad. I don't know how much it cost, but it shows there are some people with money on our side.

second of all, i keep hearing complaints that this forum is slowing down. well it's 3am here on the east coast and not exactly early on the west coast, when I posted this thread. In a matter of minutes there are 15 replies and 6 votes.

To whoever says our movement is dying, I'd say the glass is half full.

get over it. Thank God. The movement has just begun.

we're somewhere in the middle stages. thinking it's just begun is sort of depressing to me sometimes, especially since we have a big election coming up in one year. "just begun" makes me think it's going to take decades, and will culminate in "The Election Reform Act of 2025"... I can't wait that long. :)

I think the next six months will be very interesting if we keep spreading the word, our government will see the power of "word of mouth" So let them sit on their hands. I think our votes will get counted in 06 with or without the guv or the media. Piss on them.

You say you contributed how much to the Repugnantkins?

This full page ad needs to be placed in a lot of other newspapers as well to make an impact. I mean, isn't placing it in the NYT sort of like preaching to the choir, in a way?

world can't do:

Can't make voting machines that give you a receipt.

Can't do exit polls that accurately reflect the outcome.

Can't put out enough voting machines to meet demand.

Not to mention:

Can't help people sooner than five days after a flood.

Can't keep an accurate list of dead and missing after that flood.

It is just amazing how with all the resources this country has we just can't do what some third world countries are able to do.

Good to see people being educated about the dangers of our current electoral scheme. Too late for 2000, 2002, or 2004, but a good step towards a better future.

We're hard to please, here at DU.

My first thought was, this should have been in the paper in 2003.

and HAND counts! Nothing more and nothing less!

to mention the possibility of fraud in the 2004 election.

Go Bob! And the rest of them too!

The day I went to vote for the 2004 elections there were about 10 other voters. In the time that I was there the poll workers said that they could not find their names on the voting list. Out of 11 voters present only 1 could vote. I've voted at this office for every local and national election since 1997 and usually I'm the only person I see when I go in besides the workers. I live in a strong Democratic area I can firmly say that it's at least 99% Democrat. I went home that day thinking that for sure with this kind of turn out we will win. The people I spoke to said it would be their first time voting but they weren't allowed to. We should start now with voter education and registration, and poll center reforms so this doesn't happen again.

The Times editorial board has come out for paper ballots/optical scan a long time ago but the NYS legislature decided that they also had to allow DREs with VVPATs even though almost none of the people in the state want DREs! At least both systems will be randomly audited though but the NYS BoE hasn't even approved ONE new voting system yet!

Now I know the Times is a "national" paper, but ads like this are wasted on New Yorkers. We have already settled this by law so it's preaching to the choir at this point.

What they SHOULD do, is put these ads in the states like FLORIDA and Georgia where they DON'T have VVPATs or VVPBs.

Someone should tell them!

I have to say, living in a state with paper ballots and opscan, I only see a small difference between opscan and DRE with VVPAT. I used to feel differently but when Diebold is running both systems on secret software and there are no audits, what's the difference? Sure, having a DRE opens up the system to hacking from virtually everyone who votes. the main difference is there is one less layer of vulerability. but the main vulnerability point - the writers of the software, is still there just as much with opscan.

Where I live there are 100% paper ballots and I have no confidence in our system because Diebold is still counting the votes in secret.

As long as any electronic is used in the steps toward an official report, we can't be sure the vote was counted as cast.

In the middle, eh, Gary? That sounda about right.

Gary, we will win this war. We will have a voting day when all of us can walk away knowing things went ok. We shouldn't have to worry about our votes. Thank gawd for all us worriers, we will overcome.

because the ballots are larger? I don't see why it's easier to audit an opscan ballot than a VVPAT. What am I missing?

than the traditional, safe methods - and it's Administration cronies that pocket all that money. We're paying them a premium for murdering democracy!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x396623
Thread title: Touchscreen Voting Increases Annual Election Costs by 40%

they become scarce, and when they become scarce they are rationed, and when things are rationed, poor people get less of them, and poor people tend to be Democrats....

http://uscountvotes.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=43

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Sonia

but I'm kind of sorry in the headline they chose to promote the misnomer of a "receipt" with regard to paper ballots.