Damn, Paul Hackett still clueless about computer fraud in Ohio!

I was on a conference call with Paul Hackett up until about 3 minutes ago - because I am making phone calls for "Reform Ohio Now!" this weekend in the run up to the big elections on Tuesday (below) and Hackett called in to encourage everyone working the phone banks.

I asked Hackett whether he was aware - whether there was a plan to deal with the potential for computer fraud. Did he know that J. Kenneth Blackwell had a central tabulator on his desk last November that would allow him to alter vote counts coming in from the counties --

Hackett said he didn't know anything about it, that he had been in Fallujah a year ago and didn't know much about what happened with the 2004 election.

He DOES NOT GET IT - Damn! :mad:

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Ohio's big elections next Tuesday will decide:

Issue 2 - Vote by mail (help working people, families, elderly)
Issue 3 - Reduce individual contributions to pols from $20K to $2K
Issue 4 - Independent commission will drawing legislative districts
Issue 5 - Place a bi-partisan Board of Supervisors in charge of Ohio's elections instead of a partisan politician (J. Kenneth Blackwell).

Would you care about an election going on if you were in real danger of getting your head shot off?

I think Hackett *should* care now very, very, very much. He just 'lost' a hotly contested seat for Congress in Ohio -- even though he had been winning up until the 'computers went down' on election night - and lost by a very slim margin after the computers came back up again. It was the humidity, don'tcha know?

Now he is running for Senate and the same man who sat in the Ohio Secretary of State's chair during the 2004 Presidential election; and during the race that Hackett just 'lost' -- is still sitting in that chair. Still has access to the central tabulator.

:kick:

How about the in depth investigative report on CNN? Did the NYT publish the in depth story and I missed it?

That is why he does not know about it... only a few of us know of it and we need to educate them... by the way how that tin foil seating? That is what I heard the stenographers say about this tabulator story...

Com'on give the man a break, a year ago he was trying to keep himself and his troops alive, and now... you surely have missed all those stories, because I sure did.

I know that someone here at DU who posts in election reform has met/knows Hackett - I had hoped that someone had already gotten through to him.

of all people, Hackett should understand the importance of "defense" meaning that defenses have to be ready and people have to respond even if the danger doesn't actually appear, but there are signs that it may or could.....

I like to use the metaphor of the sentinel rising to investigate the nighttime noise. Right or wrong as to the existence of danger, the sentinel must rise to protect...

I probably could have worded my OP more clearly to indicate that I want to educate him - not attack him.

I appreciate your seeing through my frustration to my real message...

:hi:

either in person, or by referring him to sources of information. By the way, did you ask if they read DU?

:headbang:
rocknation

About 5 of us asked questions. I had to decide whether to get 'loud' and be branded 'nuts' or whether to make my point, step back, and try to get in touch with him another way.

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On edit: No, DU did not come up. Tight time - must prioritize.

And bring a small army with you.

the issues for him. Maybe you could write up a briefing paper for him and send it to his staff. Keep it under a page, with supporting documentation (must be credible, mainstream, or it will be ignored) attached at the back. Short, sweet, simple, bullet points. If he can't get the bubble in under ten minutes, the document is useless.

As someone who has, at times, been insulated from "American Political Life" for YEARS at a time as a consequence of my location, I can relate to what he is saying. Try getting all your news from NEWSWEAK, Time, and the Stars and Stripes--if you have the spare time to read them owing to operational pressures--and see what an incomplete picture you end up with. Right now, the guy is dealing with a mountain of competing priorities, to include funding, gripping and grinning, endorsements, advertising, and all of that stuff that goes with putting your name out there.

It's a pdf.

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/mythbreakers.pdf

n/t

Forget 2004. There was sufficient evidence of potential manipulation in the OH-2 special election that many of us took the time to analyze and get to Hackett's law office. To date, he has never responded to that information, even to take the time to thank the people who did the work.

I don't know what it is about some of "our" war veteran candidates (read Kerry and Hackett), but they seem to leave their balls on the battlefield instead of bringing them home to fight the fascist election-stealers in our midst. And Howard Dean is not much better. People who are willfully ignorant about what has happened (is happening) to subvert our elections deserve neither our respect nor our support. When almost 40% of American voters question whether their votes are being counted as they were cast, surely our "leaders" (sic) will one day get a clue.

Calling Hackett a coward ranks right up there with calling Max Clelland (who campaigned for Hackett) a coward.

Feel free to do a search of my handle here on DU to read my threads if you want to know more about me. (I include my name in some of them.) Or PM me with your private email and I'll send you a resume. No skin off my nose. Then you can google my name -- 64% of the first fifty hits for my first and last name will tell you more about me.

Lots of folks campaigned for Hackett in the OH-2 race (and contributed to him here on DU) and I wouldn't call any of them clueless or cowards. But Hackett folded like a cheap hankie in the face of very apparent election fraud. Anyone who didn't anticipate election fraud in Ohio nor fight it when it appeared nor respond to DUers who worked their asses off to prove the case for him doesn't deserve much follow-up support. And if you have followed the post OH-2 threads here about Hackett, you will note that he has already lost a lot of support here.

But Hackett losing my support doesn't mean much. Losing the support of Ohioans who are now investigating the OH-2 irregularities without any support or acknowledgement from him (perhaps because they love democracy more than he does or perhaps because they are not clueless and know that winning any more elections in Ohio will require shutting down the Buckeye fraud machine) is much more critical to his political future. If you are from Ohio, you should know what I'm talking about. If you're not, so be it.

Again, feel free to PM me your private email address and I'll send you a resume and bio sketch. Once you get them, you'll be able to google my name. I'm happy to tell you more about me than you want to know or that other DUers need to sift through. No problemo.

your past experiences with Hackett? Have a group of citizens sat him down for an hour-long lesson on computer hacking -- how to? and the pile of evidence that suggests it has happened in Ohio?

I had hope that Hackett would listen if he heard from enough people, often enough...

Breaking through the wall of denial is hard - but he was working with Jim Dean this past weekend to encourage voters to support issues 2, 3, 4, 5 -- and I BELIEVE that Howard Dean and Jim Dean are aware. Now, if only they would speak out and take action!!

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Autorank wrote a definitive paper about the OH-2 irregularities and roesbud57 hand-delivered that paper (and other related information) directly to Hackett's office (if my memory serves me). As I understand, Hackett never gave either of them the time of day or responded at all to their efforts. If he's now willing to speak with someone about these issues and about his own stolen election, they would be the two I would recommend you start with.

Good luck -- no Democrat should run for dog catcher in Ohio without being prepared to fight election fraud.

I think we have to come up with a team of credential people and concerned, informed citizens and do a group intervention.

Campaigns get papers and requests from lots of people -- and they 'recycle' what they don't understand. Hackett may be a very bright man and the perfect guy for Senate - but that doesn't mean that he understands didly about exit polls, statistical analyses, or computers.

It may take more than one group meeting with Hackett - but if we find people inside the campaign who can be involved, then maybe...

Strategy and perserverance pay.

at a picnic in august when Hackett did not show up.

in which he was presented with key information from the GAO report and evidence that suggests fraud in 2004 and 2005?

The sooner the better - in terms of actually getting a meeting with the man and in terms of having an impact on his strategy.

I know from other threads that you are working Reform Ohio Now - but when that has passed...

I think that, because Hackett is an outsider, maybe he would listen? Especially if he saw the video of Bev Harris teaching Howard Dean how to hack the vote?

What do you think?

please clue him in. Nada.

I'm not sure I can lead this parade all the way to Hackett, but I'm willing to put together a briefing.

I think this has to be done as an 'intervention' - we have to sit him (her/whoever) down and confront them with fact after fact after fact until we break through about how the computer systems work and how they are vulnerable and what evidence suggests foul play in past.

I didn't bookmark them. But, I assume that if I post a plea there, someone working the campaign could read it.

And, wasn't there some kind of power "glitch" the night he "lost"?

don'cha know...

Before the humidity caused the system to go down Hackett was ahead, after the system came back up -- after the humidity was reduced, of course -- Hackett was behind and the GOP victorious.

:banghead:

:eyes:

after tomorrow's election. Right now, the people who are most likely to do something about this are all wound up in Reform Ohio Now. I'll go home and make more calls tonight.

:kick:

"Feldman: "So Ohio is the new Florida, basically."

Schultz: "No! No, no, Michael. First of all, we have better weather. In terms of electoral importance, I hope we count ballots better than Florida, although there has been some question about this…the big contributor to the Bush campaign is also the maker of the machines. I don't know about you, but I have a little problem with that."-

from PBS's "Whad'Ya Know", September 17, 2005

Michael interviewed guest Connie Schultz, Pulitzer-prize-winning columnist of the Cleveland Plain Dealer

http://www.kssmallbiz.com/articles/article_413.asp (sorry,right-winger's site,I heard the interview when it was on but just now went googling for a transcript,gonna look for something better)

can listen to that show here-

http://www.notmuch.com/Show/Archive.pl?s_id=367

"...:05 - Guest interview with Pulitzer-prize-winning columnist Connie Schultz from the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Connie and Michael cover everything from single parenting and the joys of a strong-willed teenager to the state of American journalism. Now which one is a babe and which one is hot?..."

Anyway,Sherrod Brown used to hold Ken Blackwell's present job,so he's GOT TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT-
"
...In 1982, he won a four-way Democratic primary that included Dennis Kucinich, now a Cleveland Congressman, then defeated Republican Virgil E. Brown in the general election for the office of Ohio Secretary of State, succeeding Anthony J. Celebrezze Jr.. In 1986, Brown won re-election as secretary of state, defeating Vincent C. Campanella. In 1990, Brown lost when trying for a third term as secretary of state to Republican Bob Taft..."-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherrod_Brown

Geezus, we should take a page out of the Thug's book and run candidates for Sec of State as a reform project.
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Voters appear far from sold on DeWine

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2005/11/07/20051107-A1-03.html

Monday, November 07, 2005

After serving almost 11 years in the U.S. Senate, Republican Mike DeWine is drawing support for re-election in 2006 from fewer than a third of Ohio voters, a new Dispatch Poll shows.

He has two potential Democratic challengers who announced their candidacies only in the past month. Yet the poll shows DeWine in a virtual dead heat with newcomer Paul Hackett and losing narrowly to U.S. Rep. Sherrod Brown.

The survey underscores why Democratic leaders in Washington have made DeWine a target. Experts such as Larry J. Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics, already are labeling Ohio’s Senate race next year a tossup.

The significance of surveys taken a year before an election is somewhat dubious, of course. Yet it’s hard to find a bright spot for an elected official — one who has occupied a statewide office since 1991 (he previously was lieutenant governor) — struggling to get backing from 30 percent of the voters...


http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2005/11/07/20051107-A4-04.html

http://www.dispatch.com/news-story.php?story=dispatch/2005/11/07/20051107-A4-00.html

I'm sitting here dumbstruck. Is that verified? Coming from you, it must be.

If that's a fact, and it's publicized in tandem with, say, Bev and Howard's tabulator-hacking demo - then the head-in-the-sand press and the somnambulant public can't possibly ignore it. Can they?

Paul Hackett is in California through the weekend. There is a picture of Cliff Arnebeck meeting Paul Hackett this past Sunday on
http://www.OhioHonestElections.org

I am sure Cliff A. and Paul H. are going to have a talk soon.

The letters mentioned 2004 anomalies and suspicious incidents as background to analysis of his last minute loss under suspicous circumstances in Clermont County.

Hackett knew if he was going to run again he could not be "sore loserman"

You can't expect a politician to say he thinks Blackwell had a GEMS in his desk.