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Piedras Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:46 PM
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Huffington Post - GAO confirms - 2004 Election Was Stolen
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 08:40 PM by slosteve
Lyn Davis Lear at the Huffington Post writes about stolen elections:

Paging Frank Rich! GAO confirms - 2004 Election Was Stolen

The Government Accountability Office is the only government office we have left that is ethical, non-partisan and incorruptible. They investigate and tell it like it is. Thank God for them. This report is very serious and must get more attention. It has taken years for the mainstream press and Congress to finally understand what we in the blogisphere have known since 2000. This administration will distort and cheat about anything and everything to get its way. If this report got the attention it deserves and broke through the static of our 500-channel universe, it could be the coup de grace of the Bush White House.

Powerful Government Accountability Office report confirms key 2004 stolen election findings by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman October 26, 2005

As a legal noose appears to be tightening around the Bush/Cheney/Rove inner circle, a shocking government report shows the floor under the legitimacy of their alleged election to the White House is crumbling.

The latest critical confirmation of key indicators that the election of 2004 was stolen comes in an extremely powerful, penetrating report from the Government Accountability Office that has gotten virtually no mainstream media coverage.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lyn-lear/paging-frank-rich-gao-c_b_11483.html


DUers, to get your views on the stolen elections/election fairness out to a wider audience add your comments following this article at the Huffington Post .



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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:48 PM
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1. K & R nm
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:54 PM
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2. K and R
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:56 PM
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3. k and r (oooo, a new DUism)
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3days Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:57 PM
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4. And nothing will happen
Until the vote is challenged. People aren't going to stand up and ask for transparency because there will always be winners and losers unless it is a landslide from the outset.

F**k the giving in to spare our country the turmoil BS. Until it is proven to work then we will have the same old same old over and over.

My2$'s
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:51 PM
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19. The vote was challenged in Ohio. there are those of us that believe it
was a "landslide" and Kerry won. It wasn't only Ohio.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:47 PM
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23. Thank goodness for the Greens! They challenged!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:57 PM
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5. It's about time -- I've asked KO twice to cover this
and I've gotten no response. Maybe this is finally a start.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:58 PM
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6. You would think there'd be more outrage....
in the general population. If they only knew what did happen, they'd drop their disbelief that it couldn't happen.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:07 PM
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7. K&R -- Finally .... HuffPo gets lots of traffic; this is good.
Peace.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:09 PM
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8. Thanks for posting.
Yep - for a GAO report it is pretty damning.

At the end of the day - It may just become a rationale.

He (B*sh) lost - I do not know any numbers guy that thought any different from the moment Kerry conceeded. My total problem with Kerry has to do with his "desire" to concede so fast.

I make this bet though - You won't find one in four readily admitting he voted for the shrub within six months of the impeachment.

And it is comming.

In fact, you won't find one in four admitting he voted for B*sh in LA TODAY.

Oh, California always was the leader.

Joe


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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:13 PM
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9. Ok I am slow today... I just skimmed the article...K & R??
What am I missing?
I am just SO FUCKING PISSED that the MSM has ignored this for so long, and that they failed us SO MISERABLY over the last 6 years of lies, deception, failure, theft and dishonor of this FUCKING MISERABLE LITTLE IMBECILE who thinks he's the PRESIDENT...
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:28 PM
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13. Sounds like a Halliburton subsidiary or something, no? :-)
Kick and run, erm, I mean recommend!
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:30 PM
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14. Thanks much! I was thinking it was something in the article itself to
which people were referring, and I thought, "Holy shit, my reading skills aren't THAT bad, are they?"
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 05:10 PM
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33. we've put a bunch of the DUisms in the research forum under
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:09 PM
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35. Oh, way cool, thanks!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:14 PM
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10. K & R, S & M, B & O, rah rah rah..... thank yooooooooou, and thank
the force for the G & A & O.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:20 PM
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11. kick-n-recommended.nt
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:23 PM
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12. Thank you for sharing this article!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 08:53 PM
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15. R and K! And welcome to DU, slosteve. Great news.
Some of us have been pushing to make sure that as all the ooze bubbles to the surface of the slime pit, the stolen election becomes widely acknowledged.

:thumbsup:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:00 PM
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16. We just may be reaching a critical mass or tipping point
on Electronic Voting Fraud...maybe the public is ready for it now. W's #s are down....the war is a mess. Corporations are laying off in big #s....and of course they do this right before the Holiday Season. Wages are declining. The middle class may just be realizing that Bush doesn't like non-rich people as much as he doesn't like black people.

So they're pissed, disgusted, unhappy....maybe they'd enjoy finding out that they can fight back....spew some anger over having their Democracy stolen.

I think the timing is right for this issue to go mainstream....don't you?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:28 PM
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17. K + R for our next Gov of Oh-Fitrakis!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:44 PM
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18. "...has gotten virtually no mainstream media coverage."
The reason is that, one, they are not even close to being "mainstream"--poll after poll shows them to be out of step with the American people, and way far to the right in the presentation of news and opinion, and two, the war profiteering corporate news monopolies (their real name) were COMPLICIT in the 2004 stolen election.

The votes in the 2004 election were tabulated mostly be two rightwing Bushite corporations--Diebold and ES&S--using 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, with the public having virtually no audit/recount capability.

On election day 2004, when these Diebold/ES&S 'results' were fed to the news monopolies (through an AP computer), the news monopolies DOCTORED their own exit polls, to make them 'FIT' the 'results' of Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae. This was not the usual adjustment of exit polls that is done to reflect the demographics of the election. This was unusual. It posited, for instance, a 100% turnout of Bush-2000 voters for Bush, failing to adjust for Bush 2000 voters who had died in the meantime. The "adjusted" exit polls are not possible. (See www.TruthIsAll.net.)

They put FALSIFIED NUMBERS on everybody's TV screens, saying Bush won--and implying that there was no evidence to the contrary, when in fact their REAL exit poll numbers (later admitted by the pollster) showed a Kerry win by a 3% margin.

They thus denied the American people major evidence of election fraud, and squelched protests and calls for investigation.

In truth, the 'results' of Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae and the falsified exit polls (made to fit that result) are the only evidence that Bush won. All other evidence points to a Kerry win: The real exit polls. Pre-election, same day, and post-election polls. Issue and approval polls for the previous year. Voter registration figures (Dems blew the Repubs away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40). Huge voter turnout (always favors Dems.) Big majorities for Kerry among new voters, independents and former Nader voters. And more. And there is considerable evidence of tampering with the electronic voting systems, including big discrepancies between electronic vs. paper vote with electronic always favoring Bush (with astronomical odds against that), the discrepancy between the real exit poll numbers and the official tally on the east coast and in the battleground states (they stole it early)--also with astronomical odds against that happening--many reports of Diebold and other touchscreens changing Kerry votes to Bush votes, and almost never the other way around (astronomical odds), and much more.

And, of course, there was massive, illegal suppression of Dem votes by Repub officials in several states, including Ohio. Estimating the suppressed and purged vote, Kerry likely won by more like 4% to 5%.

The falsification of the exit polls is the worst journalistic crime I have ever witnessed (and we've seen some doozies lately).

It prevented change--the very function of voting, the heart of democracy. If you can't get your votes counted properly, and transparently, in essence, you do not have a democracy.

The Fourth Estate--once the guardians of our liberty--took away our democracy that night. That is why you hear virtually NOTHING in the corporate news monopoly press about this stolen election, despite major reports by Congressman John Conyers and his committee, a major report by the GAO, numerous reports from individual statistical experts, an entire book by election reform activists laying it all out, not to mention several big election fraud/election reform national conferences, the excellent information developed here at DU and other web sites, and a couple of dissenting journalists inside the corporate news monopolies: Keith Olberman, and Bob Koehler.

For Koehler's latest on the impossible numbers in the recent Ohio election on, of all things, election reform initiatives (pre-election, winning about 60/40; flipped on election day to a 60/40 LOSS!), see
http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?custid=67&catid=1824

The war profiteering corporate news monopolies DO NOT WANT their crime to be exposed. That is why they don't cover this story--the biggest political scandal in the history of journalism and in the history of our country.

The Democratic Party leadership is also covering up this crime, for they, too, are complicit.

Not a word out of them--from 2002-2004--while Bushite corporations took over our election system with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, and no accountability.

Are the Democrats insane? I thought so for a while. But now I think it's a mixed picture of extensive corruption among both Repub and Dem state/local election officials in the $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle (involving lavish lobbying, and "revolving door" employment)--which gives these officials too much power over elected representatives, who in turn won't challenge the corrupt election officials (I suspect Los Angeles elections head Connie McCormack, a Dem, of corruption on electronic voting systems, and of using intimidation of state legislative Dems to get rid of CA Sec of State Kevin Shelley, who had sued Diebold); corruption and fear also among Dem Congressfolk on electronic voting (I suspect Sen. Christopher Dodd of corruption on this matter--and he is the one who advised John Kerry about it, apparently).

And as for the other silent Dems, I can only guess that they like Bush's war, preferred that Bush continued to take the rap for all the horror and the cost, and also--because they are tied to war profiteers--they didn't want a president who was beholden to an antiwar grass roots, as Kerry would have been. And I suspect they now have a strategy of killing the campaigns of antiwar Congressional candidates by helping Bush withdraw some troops before the elections next year--while, of course, maintaining a massive US military presence in the Middle East for the future. (I think there is evidence of this in Minnesota Dem Party's advice to Colleen Rowley in her antiwar campaign for Congress, that she back off on the Iraq war, because Bush may pull troops out and it won't be an issue.)

The War Dems violated their oath of office voting for the unconstitutional Iraq war resolution. It's only a short step from that to selling away our right to vote--or not giving a crap about it.

My remarks here are not intended to spread divisiveness. God knows I have often warned people of the fracturing of the center/left in Germany in the 1930s, which facilitated Hitler's rise. I do not want that to happen here, and will likely support almost any Dem candidate for president in '08--regardless of their position on the war--because I think that will be our best chance at election reform, our only long term hope for major progressive change. But we must strategize on a basis of truth.

The hope and the energy that coalesced in the grass roots round the Kerry campaign in 2004 must never again be permitted to be destroyed by stolen elections. That hope and energy is too precious--it is the fragile but burning hope of restoring democracy. It is not destroyed by losing. It is destroyed by lies! If people KNOW they are losing to Diebold, they can DO something about it. If they DON'T know, then what happens is demoralization, depression and further disenfranchisement.

The public must be told. And they must be told the whole story, including how bad our Dem leadership has been. There is no other way to go in a democracy. Either we trust the people--and let them evaluate, and let them forgive, or not forgive, what our leaders have done--or we consign ourselves and our children to living with war and fascism for the foreseeable future in America.


--------------------

For an easy to read primer on electronic voting ("MythBreakers"):
http://www.votersunite.org

For a project for statistical monitoring and challenges in '06 and '08:
http://www.UScountvotes.org

For exit poll analysis: http://www.TruthIsAll.net




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Piedras Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:36 PM
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21. Peace Patriot, please comment to Huff Po
Peace Patriot, would you please cut and paste your above opinion/research to the Comments section at the Huffingtom Post where it will reach a wider audience.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lyn-lear/paging-frank-rich-gao-c_b_11483.html
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:37 PM
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22. Did you see tonights AP article??
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 10:39 PM by annabanana
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Piedras Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:51 PM
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24. AP: Electronic Voting Examined; Deadline Nears
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 11:12 PM by slosteve
Across the country, officials are trying multiple methods to ensure that touch-screen voting machines can record and count votes without falling prey to software bugs, hackers, malicious insiders or other ills that beset computers.

snip

Still, an October report from the Government Accountability Office predicted that overall steps to improve electronic voting machines' reliability "are unlikely to have a significant effect" in next year's elections, partly because certification procedures remain a work in progress.

snip

...largely because of warnings from computer security experts and grassroots activism, many states have began requiring the machines to produce paper receipts that voters can examine. At least 25 states have such rules in place and 14 more have requirements pending, according to the Verified Voting Foundation.

snip

"Any time there's an issue that happens with a particular voting system, all vendors are painted with the same broad brush," said Michelle Shafer, a spokeswoman for Sequoia Voting Systems Inc. "There are differences from product to product. You need to look at the track record of particular companies."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051130/ap_on_re_us/electronic_voting

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 10:01 PM
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20. A class action product liability lawsuit is the way to go
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think this is the avenue that would really work. The manufacturers claim to provide safe , secure, accurate voting. There's plenty of evidence that says this is possibly a severe misrepresentation. Someone, somewhere should be able to raise this issue and win.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:18 PM
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31. What a great idea!
I love it!

Waiting for the populace to rise up in fury at having our democracy taken away doesn't exactly seem to be working. Our elected officials (with a few beloved exceptions like Conyers, Boxer, Tubbs Jones, et al) aren't going to touch this unless their constituents demand it--which they won't, because they aren't hearing about it.

So... taking Diebold through the legal system sounds like a GREAT idea!

Maybe People for the American Way? We should write to them!
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=162
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:01 PM
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25. Thanks for posting this article...
Too bad the corps own the media. What story could be bigger than a squatter in the White House?

This is like a burglar breaking into your house, stealing the whole damned house, moving in permanently, the cops won't listen to you, and nobody believes you.

When (if) justice is ever done, companies like Halliburton should be seized by the government and sold off. All executives of such companies should be stripped of all personal wealth and deported, and the CIA/FBI should used to uncover their assets wherever they may be. All those who used their considerable fame, power, money, or influence to prop up this fraud (Dobson, Robertson, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, countless politicians, the Walton family, oil company execs, and many, many others) should be dealt with likewise - stripped of all assets and deported as traitors to the people of their country. Media "professionals" who went along with the fraud should be barred from ever working in the news again, and a "wall of shame" should be constructed in Washington with their names on it....

I hope I live to see justice someday - but I doubt it.
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 11:22 PM
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26. Please post @ HuffPo
if you have the time.
The place is being over-run by freepers.
The razor wits from DU could help us cut
those trolls down to manageable numbers
with facts, figures or venom.

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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:22 AM
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27. "Alleged election". I like that phase. n/t
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:05 AM
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28. K/R n/t
:kick:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:15 AM
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29. Welcome to DU Slosteve nm
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 06:36 AM
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30. k and r-let's try to spread this around !!!! n/t
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 03:19 PM
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32. Contact information Senate, House, Elections Assistance Commission
WTF is going on? Why didn't the Dems jump all over the GAO report? We have to force them to bring this to the forefront. Here are the contacts for Senate, House Committees plus Elections Assistance Commission and the Black Caucus. Please contact every Dem on these committees and ask them what is up. Why nothing out of them? What are they doing about this? Do they have a strategy? Will they speak up before it's too late? Is there something going on that we don't know about? Nothing from Howard Dean?

ELECTIONS ASSISTANCE COMMISSION – Federal Commission that is supposed to regulate elections. Email then.

mailto:HAVAinfo@eac.gov

Senate Rules and Administration Committee – Responsible for election oversight and rules.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newcommittee.cgi?site=ctc&lang=&commcode=srules

House Administration Committee – same as Senate committee.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newcommittee.cgi?site=ctc&lang=&commcode=hhouse_admin

Where is the Congressional Black Caucus in all of this? No outrage from them?

Congressional Black Caucus - Chair
The Honorable Melvin L. Watt
United States House of Representatives
2236 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-3312

Phone - 202-225-1510
Fax - 202-225-1512

I have emailed these contacts to EVERY Dem in my contact list and asked them to contact the Dems on these committees. Watt, chair of the Black Caucus is from North Carolina. Nothing from him about the Diebold decision?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 06:01 PM
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34. the floor under the legitimacy of their alleged election to the WH
This is a fantastic sentence. I want to see more like this one soon.

"As a legal noose appears to be tightening around the Bush/Cheney/Rove inner circle, a shocking government report shows the floor under the legitimacy of their alleged election to the White House is crumbling."
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 07:53 PM
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36. Read this funny Onion-style article: "Diebold to 'patent' addition"
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0411/S00055.htm

Diebold, ChoicePoint and Sproul - in a new partnership between government and business involving unprecedented interagency cooperation between the RNC/PNAC, the Patent Office, the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security ... have announced plans to form a joint venture to leverage core software patents and other intellectual property for the purpose of maintaining America's strategic edge at providing "the best democracy money can buy."

Diebold's flagship product - their distributed "black box" implementation of ... "plus one" or "addition" - will to be the first of several strategic arithmetic operators to be included in the joint venture's portfolio of vital information-technology (IT) trade secrets, which will soon include implementions of other core mathematical functions, such as subtotal, percent, and greater-than-or-equal-to.

Meanwhile, ChoicePoint's proprietary software-based disenfranchisement algorithms, whose Florida 2000 rollout transparently scrubbed tens of thousands of undesirable second-class citizens from the voter rolls, are expected to provide the perfect "synergy" with more prosaic, paper-oriented Jim Crow technologies such as Sproul's circular-file-based voter-deregistration methodologies, and the RNAC's innovative use of mail fraud and racketeering successfully deployed against the 2004 voter-registration drives in Ohio and other states.

Gone is the primitive, labor-intensive "addition" operator many Americans recall struggling with in elementary school and the messy, error-prone process of counting dangling "chads" in antiquated punch-card vote-tabulation systems: With Diebold's state-of-the-art paperless touchscreen technology - complemented on the back-end by their modem-based wide-area-network protocols for addition, subtotaling, and numerical comparison - all audiences ranging from local county poll workers to vendor personnel to Secretaries of State can quickly get up to speed and enjoy an unprecedented level of ease and quality control for delivering precisely targeted electoral results.

Unlike Diebold's bank ATMs, which many users have criticized for being "stodgy" or "lacking upside" due to their overly rigid reliance on pre-Enron accounting standards such as double-entry bookkeeping and paper trails, Diebold's voting systems division has wisely gone with a more "virtual, interactive, open-systems" computing philosophy featuring dynamically reconfigurable memory cards, freely published polling-station telephone numbers, short, easy-to-remember passwords and standard dialup modems sending unencrypted data over common carriers for greater transparency and efficiency. Avoiding the "heavy iron," high overhead and inherent inflexibility of outmoded client-server systems favored by the global financial networks and airline-reservation systems, Diebold has decided to go with agile, "off-the-shelf" desktop components such as Windows and Access which can be easily customized by anyone willing to master Microsoft's popular VBA programming language - increasing interactivity and reducing the learning curve for key players in all phases of the electoral process, as well as enhancing flexibility with exciting new features such as anonymous remote access and unlogged updates.

More here:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0411/S00055.htm

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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 08:01 PM
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37. Here's the comment I posted at HuffPo
For those who can read this article and still deny we have problems, I say consider the conditions for our elections rather than the outcome. When paperless electronic machines are used to cast votes, those votes are unverifiable. That means they can't be recounted and we can't be sure how they were cast or counted. That makes the entire outcome inherently uncertain.

This is only compounded by the security concerns and the machine performance issues raised (I submit negative 25 million votes also speaks to inherent uncertainty).

In the end, this leaves Americans divided and fighting among ourselves about the outcome. This is one of many ways the federal government is intentionally divisive, a strategy used quite well to consolidate power and control (as long as we are divided, we cannot unite to rise up against those intentionally dividing us).

If this country is going to heal from these recent years of domestic hostility, we are going to have work through the inherent uncertainty to address the great rift it causes in the perception of reality. U.S. "elections" are elections in name only. They are really charades, simulated competition that closely resembles actual elections. To those who still deny the problems with elections, I want to talk to you. Not about the outcome of an election, I want to discuss the conditions.

Read Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution:
http://tinyurl.com/au2pj
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