I missed it, maybe others did, Volusia poll tapes in garbage video.

It appears this has been posted since June http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/2197/6737.html?1132950109,
so my apologies if this is a dup., which I would imagine is the case.

http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/volusia2.mpg

Want to convince a non-believer in election fraud....this is some mighty potent stuff.
The reaction of the older gent trying to rip the bag of 'garbage' away from Bev:puke:is telling.

(This post is not intended to be pro-Bev. <Chi charges his stun-gun just in case> )

but I could be wrong. I think it's the same footage.

and was surprised to see it.
Just wanted to make sure no one missed the boat...like I did 8)

Bev's mouthpiece is now claiming that it's been there for six months. This may be so, but when I was looking in the newspapers for evdeince of legal action. As none has ever surfaced, I assume the DA found the "evidence" as worthless as I did.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

last night and I was unimpressed.

The tape has bad sound and is edited. It shows no "smoking gun" that I can see.

Bev claimed it was "proof" when she was on Randi Rhodes. Then when called on it, she claimed she was turning it over to the DA. A year later, nothing. No indictments, no comments, zip, nada, niente!

Of course, Bev can now claim it is the DA's fault for not acting on her "solid" evidence.

that a REALLY odd place to leave a trash bag? A loading dock with a handicap ramp. No dumpster. No curb.

First I've seen of it too. Weirdness all the way around.

My understanding based on Andy's remarks was that the bag had been pulled from the dumpster.

because they knew Harris was sent down there (the warehouse) to pick up her FOIA requested stuff.

""There was a black garbage bag outside the door," Harris says. Inside, she says she saw some of the poll tapes she'd requested, along with blank ballots and sample ballots."

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4732
BUSTED? Pynchon thinks there's something rotten in Volusia
By Jeffrey C. Billman
Published 12/9/04

It appears Pynchon had the same expierience...

"While at the office on the same day, Pynchon – who was there seeking another group of records – saw an employee hauling a second box out to the trash behind the building, and she went and got it. Harris says the box Pynchon grabbed was a gold mine. "A number of items on the list were in the garbage," Harris says. "Some did not match sent to the state … ."

I can post the text (4 paragraphs at least) if anyone wants it, but the link is dead.

Who has it now? What was done with it?
Any ideas?

And, sure, post some more grafs.

indicate election fraud, IMHO.

"Who has it now? What was done with it?"
I don't know, but the article quotes her (Bev) as saying the evidence was being copied.
So I would assume she ended up with them.

But i do remember Andy talking about the incident and backing up the fact that they were signed poll tapes.
That's my memory (to be clear), searching his posts would be the better route.

Here is a working link I found through Yahoo...
http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=337

and why hasn't any investigation been launched?

Search for posts from Andy.

I do not represent Bev, or her organization.

<Chi readies his stun gun> ;-)

I am just commenting on the tapes.

"black garbage bag outside the door" was trash BEFORE opening it?

She says on the film that the bag was open when she found it.

But that's what SHE says.
You know what I would do.....SEARCH POSTS FROM ANDY! 8)

His first, of course, was trusting Bev.

Andy's views not withstanding (God rest his soul), it seems to me that IF there were any real evidence of wrong doing and investigation would have been launched.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

But if you think his version of the events/evidence was tainted by his trust in Bev,
then here is a thread that he started after being fired by her...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=215733

I'm surprised you don't remember it...you're in it. As a matter of fact Andy tells you to take a
long walk off a short pier, I take it you two didn't play well together?
Or was he kidding?

Investigation would only be expected if one were to give their evidence to the proper authorities,
and those authorities are competent and unbiased.
If you have anything showing that Bev gave her 'precious' film (and/or physical evidence) to the authorities....please share.
I, for one, wouldn't expect her to do so with her track record.

The "someone" is "likely" BH, not David.

I'm glad it wasn't a tiff then.

As a matter of fact Andy tells you to take a
long walk off a short pier, I take it you two didn't play well together?
Or was he kidding?

Go back and look at the posts in context.

Andy posts about what he saw in Florida and lists five things, only the last item was germane to the video tape:

Election materials that were found in the trash and in paricular a poll tape that was not provided to us in the original batch printed on the 15th. This is the one that there was so much discussion about in regards to Keith Olberman.

greatauntoftriplets responds to Andy's post

Someone's not gonna be happy with your post....

(Context: Bev will be unhappy Andy is "spilling the beans" about what happened in Florida)

to which I reply:

"Someone" can jolly well... meaning Bev can do do something, what specificlly, is left to the reader.

Andy chimes in

Take a long walk on a short Pier? with a little Devil face icon.

He was humorously providing a "clean" counterpoint to my suggestive ellipses.

D.

Which is odd because in the thread tree, I see it's in response to post...hmmmm
a post with no number.

Other quotes

tasteblind asked in post 6.....
"What about the tug of war over the garbage with the poll tapes?
Did that happen? Is there video?"

Andy responded...
"Yes it did happen...I was not there...
I have not seen the video...but if it exists BBV owns that video.
Actually me not being there is one of the reasons Bev "fired me" "

another post backing the claim of voting materials in trash...
"Votergate.tv is making a movie.
Bev is not...perhaps she has deluded herself that it is about her. But it is not...I repeat...not her movie. The guys making that movie are honorable and upstanding guys. The only video they own is the video of the florida activists pulling election materials from the trash behind the Volusia County Election office. "

Add that with my original quote of....
"Her evidence is solid
I guarantee it. "
and you would have to think Andy is not telling the truth, in order to dismiss the evidence, IMHO.

and couldn't vouch for the evidence.

My opinion is that there is NO evidence of a crime based on:

1) My viewing of the tape.
2) The fact that absolutely NOTHING has happened in over a year in regards to an invetsigation into the matter by the authorities.
3) My previous dealings with Bev and her wild claims which later had no foundation. For example, Bev claimed her site was hacked in Sept 2003 and that the ISP colluded with nefarious forces to deny her access.

I document that fiasco here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1993788&mesg_id=2000755&page=

#2 is the most damning.

or if you didn't have the evidence to back it up?

"Susan Rose Pynchon vs. Volusia County Canvassing Board and Ann McFall
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT
SEVENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT OF FLORIDA
IN AND FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY, FLORIDA

SUSAN ROSE PYNCHON,
Plaintiff

Vs.

VOLUSIA COUNTY CANVASSING BOARD
And ANN McFALL,
Defendants

----splice----

13. Many public records, including one signed results tape from a voting machine were found in the trash. Many of the requested records not furnished by the Elections office have been found in the trash. Results from the tapes found in the trash do not match the results of the copies of tapes furnished."
http://lawnorder.blogspot.com/2004/11/lawsuit-black-box-voting-has-finally.html"

Although Andy wasn't there...he said he saw the original signed poll tape in question.

I hope you have taken no offense from my disagreement with you, I have nothing against you.
As a matter of fact....Thank You for your work on Election Fraud!

(edited for spelling)

I hope you have taken no offense from my disagreement with you, I have nothing against you.
As a matter of fact....Thank You for your work on Election Fraud!

Polite discussion and disagreement is a breath of fresh air.

I have no doubt that what they think they saw. Whether it was what they ACTUALLY saw is another matter.

Not trying to be abstruse, but in the course of training poll workers, they do generate zero tapes and sign them as they walk people through what they will have to do at the end of the day.

*IF* it was a signed result tape, then their is certainly some questions that need to be answered.

The problem is that no criminal actions have occurred after a year (a civil action is a different matter, as anyone can file a suit for any reason, even if wrong).

Again, Andy was under the impression that there was something there. I am not. Having examined the tape, I am more skeptical. In the thread you read I was enjoying the fact that Andy was sharing informatiomn Bev was not, information that really needed to make public, but that Bev was trying to keep control of for her own glory.

Did chicanery go on in Florida and Ohio? Without a doubt. Were voting machines the instrument of the chicanery? I don't know, but believe that more "traditional" tactics were used to screw with the vote.

Just my take on the issue.

Because now, thanks to all this hype, the REAL tape discrepancies have been ignored. Discrepancies like this:

Dekalb County, Georgia:
Precinct DRE tapes unsigned and/or marked by handwritten notations "Second run."

Accumulator tapes unsigned and dated DAYS after the election.

Accumulator tapes dated BEFORE the election.

Statewide in Georgia:
50% of all precinct reconciliation reports failed to balance the number of voters with the public counter on the DREs.

All ignored, all cast aside because Bev Harris created the situation hyping ONE SINGLE TAPE while thousands of others go unreported by the very reporters she attacked and threatened to sue.

So, let's see........how is it this HELPED us bring the situation to light?

But in order to believe it, one would have to believe the mainstream media would actually
have reported on election fraud evidence, IF BH never existed.
Considering all the other dropped news stories in the last 5 years, I'll stick with blaming the media for not
doing their job.
There's plenty other things to hold BH accountable for. 8/

On Edit...Do you have any links to share on the other poll events you talked about.
I keep clips of that stuff and that was the first time I heard of those.

Thanks in Advance

I misunderstood what you disagreed with, it didn't occur to me you were not challenging the events.

"Having examined the tape, I am more skeptical."
I had no idea that you have actually seen the tape in question.
What about it made you believe it probably wasn't an actual run, but a practice/training run?

"*IF* it was a signed result tape, then their is certainly some questions that need to be answered."
Now I'm a little confused...I thought you saw it. I am not sure what you are saying here.

As far as the 'no criminal actions' part, I wouldn't expect BH to share her trophy with anyone if she
thinks she could make money on it.
If she doesn't share it.....who would investigate it...specifically keeping in mind that Fla is run by
Jeb, and any States Attorney answers to his Attorney General.
Kinda like the Warren county lockdown, or the stickers on ballots in Clermont County, or the Clint Curtiss situation. Everyone willing to give sworn affidavits about what occured..yet no investigations.

My 2 cents

KICK AND RECOMMENDED.

I wonder what was done with the bags contents.

I can make out what I assume is an election official scornfully telling Bev that the ballot she has is a test ballot.