Kerry is with us !! Listen to the talking points !!

(Towards the end of audio)

John Kerry on the Ed Schultz Show Today

http://www.thedemocraticdaily.com/122105SenatorKerry.mp3

The question is: What the hell is he going to DO about it?

Proprietary and vote counts, I think Kerry is ready to move forward on the election theft machines.

Maybe so, given what he said today -- I just listened.

At the end of the show he just started talking about the hack test in florida and that the machines have now been proven to be hackable. Also he said that vote counting must not be done by private corporations with proprietary software. He said it was "absurd".

My jaw about dropped. Now let's see if he follows through.

Says we have to follow up on these issues, including proprietary software.

(Sorry, replied to wrong post)

I not dissing him, I'm just saying we like to have Kerry's comments front and center. What did he say?

Finally, a bit of hope!

I now believe Kerry does indeed know he was robbed, perhaps he's been holding it all in for the right time to let loose...

the Bush empire is falling, now is the time!

If only our media wasn't so pathetic.

on the election theft machines issue.

Kerry has been in the ring for a while. Conyers gives Kerry a lot of credit for his help.

is everything when your dealing with bushco crime family, they are still defending themselves about the spy report and all the other corruption, what better time to slam them with the election theft story. Kerry timed it right, we officially have a Democrat speaking our language.

Ours is doing a pretty good job with comparatively miniscule resources!

See (often):
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for a taste of OUR news.

start visiting.

Glad to see you're still here emlev!

I love your site... all the headlines on one page. Thank you, thank you.

What a terrific idea.

it's my homepage and i love it! good stuff... HOLIDAY cheer to all!

Kerry on. kster

I remember an interview with his was where she was asked to describe her husband...


Paraphrasing

She said he was a "complex man" ...someone who would run many different scenarios before moving forward with a solution. In the game of chess I would conjecture he just castled.


Kneel before Zod. ...shudda got that one.















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The "King" and the rook trade places.

:hi:

situation? are you referring to an orchestrated move?

Sorry, but he's nobody now. He's dead to me.

is where he always was: on the job. Just because we didn't read about it on DU thoughout the year, does not mean he was doing nothing. He has a long history of working behind the scenes. A very long history. And very often, the best strategy is to keep silent and not let the other side see you. Contesting the election, unfortunately, was just not going to work. This is the next best thing--fix the system going forward.

Ya no, all our problems would be solved if Kerry were ta jus run 'round like a screaming banshee. GET WITH THE PROGRAM ALREADY!

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has been fighting for reform, grassroots organizing and holding the emperor's feet to the fire. All this while fighting lawsuits in Ohio and searching for answers.

A listing of his activities since last November would be quite daunting I believe.

I believe when he has proof - hard proof admissible in court - he'll make the appropriate accusations. To do so prematurely may be satisfying to all of us but unwise in the context of the bigger battle.

Peace

I'm with you,CP.

I listened to his talking points in 2004. I listened to him not confront salient issues. I watched him leave the country rather than deal with the Ohio vote. I trust him like I trust Lucy to hold the football.

yerself did you; repeatedly might even comprise a case of self confuddlment. ;) Imho, the totality of his contributions have certainly earned him the benefit of the doubt.

Rolled over and died. Thousands of lawyers were supposed to be on hand for that election. Lines were around the block, down the street and the little confab Bush's bunddies had in a closed door meeting at the central tabulator went completely unchallenged. Kerry didn't want to win. Sure, he may have liked to have won, but he didn't WANT it.

Since Jan of this year, I think. Just because you don't have all of the facts, don't assume that he's not been working for election reform. No, he didn't stand up and say, "I wuz robbed" but maybe that's because he COULDN'T PROVE IT. A good prosecutor knows that you can't prosecute without evidence and expect to win.

Democrats seem to support 100%.

This is what needs to be discussed! Our votes must count.

in OH are planning to take the message via truck pulled billboard.

I am glad to hear him speaking out on this!

Or, the New York Times, Hillary, Jimmy Carter, Dan Rather or anyone else who either did know or should have known, and had the opportunity to jump in and really get something done on election reform and the rest of it.

Our little media and our little gang of true Americans are the ones who are leading. The so-called "leaders," who have power, money and influence, have been sitting on their tushes. We need to tell them what to do, because waiting for them to lead has been like watching grass grow.

argue with you there. Because you are correct. After Kerry mentioning it on air, I to will be dissapointed if Kerry doesn't continue forward WITH US in this battle. We will never have these sons of bitch's (Diebold & ES&S,Etc) more surrounded than they are RIGHT NOW.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2327742&mesg_id=2327781

Bush got into office illegally (Kerry interview) and he's violating the Constitution (Kennedy interview).
Pretty good day for Schultz.

It may not make him look good, but it gets the job done. An unusual approach for a politico.

and restoring our Democracy.

This election was about America and American citizens. This was *not* about one man and his reputation.

... it to the top of the Greatest list and stays there for a while.


Peace.

...The time to challenge was in the couple week window before the vote was certified.

...Then the farcical recount sure could have used the gravitas of an unconceeded election.

...And lastly, January 6th, 2005 when the criminals sat the Ohio Electors the coup was complete...you were in Iraq I believe.

...he's been gathering evidence for some time now. If you watch his appearances in the past year, you can almost see the transition he's made. I really don't think he WANTED to believe it in the beginning (And, by the way, I didn't either. It's a lot to take in.) But now, it's clear he does. He's a man of conscience. He believes in democracy and the value of citizenship. I don't think his conscience will allow him to just let it go. This is comforting and makes me very grateful.


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FOr me-- he still has a long way to go. I want to see Kerry charge the enemy-- when the time is right. I want to see that Enemy vanquished, and jailed.

Anything less does not cut it.

"you cant leave the voting integrity of america, and the rights of citezens to know what happened to thier votes, in proprietary hands "

Not exactly Land Shark, but Kerry just took big strides in that direction.

to expose the election theft machines, Its something he could not have done by himself, this website and the hundreds of other sites provided Kerry with that army. If Kerry started screaming foul the media would have BURIED him and the election theft story.....(GORE)

Kerry moved on after the election to fight the *co crime family in other ways most important to me than the election theft, is the safety of the troops. They have fought this crime family with everything they had, and that is not easy considering that the media is part of that crime family.

This radio interview proves that Kerry's been listening, he may not be able to fight side by side with us just yet but this is a very good indication that Kerry is ready to join the fight.

My 2 cents......

He had a large army ready to go to battle for him and he threw it away on Nov 3rd 2004. That he still has supporters is without a doubt. That he lost a lot of supporters that day is also without a doubt.

Hell, we would have rioted in the streets for that man. And he walked. And in the process he cut his army off at the knees. He left us leaderless and rudderless for quite a while.

I'm glad he's doing this and he is more than welcome to come join the army now. We have other leaders now, though, so he'll need to stand in the rank and file.

Based on what I'm reading right now about *co, the spying, secret prisons ,war on the United States. I think our leaders made the right choices. * would have liked us to be in the streets right after the 2004 election, then right now You and I would be sliding notes back and forth under our prison doors and trying to send messages to the world via carrier pigeons.

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I would have rolled my eyes at you. Not so much this week. You have a good point.

Tanks in LA, the stories on *co's shenanigans don't seem to far out there after watching it.

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/11/tanks-on-la-streets.mov

i think the world needs to see pictures of bush, cheney, rumsfeld and all their little nazi wage slaves in abu ghraid performing multiple acts of sexual depravity with dogs while being electrocuted and dragged through piles of poop

after all, in this war against these terrorists we must employ all methods possible?

no, because we're better than that

kerry is not the answer, he still has paymasters and people to placate

a fresh start and approach is whats needed, not just take a step back, maybe take a few and change direction. Whats with the huge "defence" budget? CIA/FBI has lost almost all credibility worldwide as a corrupt force working to promote instability

i believe your best chance may now exist in creating a nation nobody CAN dislike, when all you stand for rings true throughout all levels of society, not one rule for those with money and another for those unable to afford a "non-guilty" verdict or medical assistance

the right man/woman will be most obvious by their rubbishing by your media and mud throwing by all parties with a vested interest in the way things are now, used to be and where they are going at present

Don't just settle for another stooge, the media has been as complicit in these crimes as the people ordering and investing in them. There is the loop. How do you break it? Stop buying their newspapers, stop watching their TV channels, put them out of business, if they've aided and abetted a government in knowingly decieving the people then throw these bastards in jail. Don't let their be any doubt about where you stand on this issue.

If you don't stand up for your brothers now, being tortured and imprisoned on the basis of "made up" intelligence, where will your brother be when you need them to stand up for you?

Do you want your children to grow up in a world where people "dissapearing" is the norm? Where you can't ask questions about where they have gone or what's happening to them? Where your family will be shunned and stonewalled by those imprisoning them as if they never existed? Where businessmen and women profiting directly from a phoney war give press conferences regarding their ethical treatment and in someway think it's funny to use legal language to skirt round the issue of torture??

I don't, and i don't know anyone else who does either. Only a total psycopath would

So why is it happening? It's happening to add credibility to the lie you are in mortal danger and that in some way imprisoning and torturing these individuals is in your best interests

how twisted can they make logic? it seems the masses will swallow just about anything .. right? wrong! It's only your media perpetuating these myths and opinion polls

everyone knows, the racket's been exposed, let's make a stand

your forefathers had the foresight to see this coming and to configure in as simple a way as possible in language anyone can understand, a constitution to protect each and every one of you

nows the time to stand up for it, it's stood up for you for long enough

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He pulled a good stunt to sell his book, so let's hope for him that he got some more sales.

Kerry kicked him *HARD* *HARD* *HARD* after Miller repeated the conversation he had with Kerry about the stolen election. Miller must have known that it could happen and he did it anyway - that requires tremendous courage.

He is more than a :patriot:

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emerges - possibly with the outcome of his lawsuit in Ohio - he will be very vocal. To not speak without supporting documentation would have been stupid and he would have been in no position then to fight this admin the way he has this past year.

It's tough to wait for, but I think that is what I would do in his position. What would make this process go much faster is if we had another 'Russ Tice-type' PATRIOT step forward in Ohio that participated in the vote fraud and is willing to come clean and make ammends for the damage done. Election judges make a vow to uphold the law too, don't they?

Kerry did file "friend of the court" papers in support, and last summer we had to fight like hell to keep him from even withdrawing that support.

As for Ohio, I was there -- on the ground -- as one of the nine Regional Coordinators for the Green Party Ohio Recount. The whole time I was there, I saw one (1) Dem -- one observer in one county and he was a college-age kid with little or no training or support even in the way of what to look for.

Only David Cobb has consistently stood up and fought from day one without stopping to get to the bottom of this.

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_ohio_suit_1215.php



and here is the info the programmer supplied: http://rawstory.com/exclusives/programmer_1215.php

Federal Court in Toledo.

Working name of the case is Cobb v. Blackwell.

Kerry's filing is a "friend of the court" which as I said he was about to pull even that last summer. I was at a conference in Atlanta with David Cobb at the time and David told me to go ahead and post all this to DU, which I did:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4296647

Subsequently ended up with Conyers urging Kerry not to withdraw. Link to Conyers' letter:

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/08/congressman-conyers-urges-kerry-and.html

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/kerryedwardsohltr81705.pdf

Even Conyers said it was only rumors in the letter you list.


Do you think Conyers would have put that many conditionals if he knew Kerry was thinking of withdrawing? This is a rumor started by the Green Party as far as I am concerned and nobody has been able to prove otherwise.

The Green Party is doing his job very well and is using that to recruit people out of the Democratic Party. I do not blame them, this is typical game of power and Cobb plays that a lot better than Nader, but it is simply not facts-based.

In addtion, Kerry/Edwards are part of two other law-suits concerning the fact that people were NOT allowed to vote.

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Kerry is a politician. He talks like a politician, he acts like a politician, he votes like a politician. More of the same old strategy. He's on our side, but he's a politician. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. His stance is commendable; his motives are political.

Yet... we need all of those on our side coming out into the light and pressing the case while the opportunity is here so that the truth will come out about how the Bush regime has devastated our country. We need Kerry speaking his truth to power. We need the honest Republicans of conscience expressing doubts. We need John Murtha stepping up on Iraq. We need Reid giving them hell. We need all our Democratic representatives out there talking about and introducing bills addressing our invasion of Iraq, domestic spying on peace groups, Karl Rove (remember him?) breaching governmental security, government financing of the shipping of all our jobs overseas, New Orleans and our domestic security, the creating of the astronomical deficit, burning down an already broke medical system, torture, persecution of minorities, religious tyranny, corporate takeover, our turning our heads to global warming, control of the US population through fear.

Good for Kerry for coming out now. I mean that. He needs to speak up. But he's not the one to take the lead in this bid to take back our democracy from the clutches of the most dangerous regime ever to gain control of the White House. If he wants to support the real effort out of his desire for a better America - good. But he's not the "lead man". John Conyers and Barbara Boxer have been walking the walk while Kerry and most of the others weren't even talking the talk.

Now that there is plenty of political backup and media momentum, the shrewd, cautious politicians have climbed out from behind their barricades and are talking tough. And that's good. But it's not leadership quality. Conyers and Boxer have consistantly stuck their necks out when it was considered political suicide by the Harry Reids, Ted Kennedys and John Kerrys. John Conyers is not afraid to be on the board of the Progressive Democrats of America next to Cindy Sheehan. Barbara Boxer was the lone Senator to stand up last Jan 6 in congress to protest Ohio's stolen electoral votes - amid a chorus of booing, name-calling and threats by her peers.

Conyers and Boxer have been unapologetically doing what needs to be done all along, saying what needs to be said, taking the lead when nobody else was willing, to fix the mess our democracy is in - whether it was the politically expedient thing to do or not. They did it because it is the right thing to do.

Launching hearings and investigations, mobilizing support, blogging, standing up in Congress, writing letters to the White House, introducing resolutions, speaking out in against the outrages taking place, protesting Ohio's stolen 2004 election, holding frequent press conferences detailing to the world what is going on in the White House - that's the real ground work. Conyers and Boxer were out there building this case, while the others were in the backroom raising their glasses murmering "Yeah - that's right - you betcha".

So, good job Senator Kerry for lending your support to the fight - keep up the good work. We need you to stand with us on this showdown. But let's all remember who has been out there keeping this thing going all along, when it was all but lost as recently as a few months ago... John Conyers and Barbera Boxer. They showed the rest of the Democrats what it means to have a spine, what it means to lead and what the American people expect from their elected representatives. Conyers and Boxer stand out as the true heroes in all this. And there… is the 2008 Democratic Presidential ticket with the guts to fix the disaster American democracy has sunk into during the last five years.

..is more important than "talking the talk."

IMHO.

And Kerry's been walking the walk all along. Some people have been too busy listening to someone "talking the talk" to notice.

John Kerry
Interview - Ed Schultz, 12/21/05
Excerpt concerning election issues

"We brought a couple of lawsuits in Ohio, we were working there on the issue of what happened to our voters, with Mr. Blackwell and others, and the involvement of the machines. Well here we are now, with a Florida election official who has publicly refused to use those machines because they can be hacked, and the company for months and months and months was denying any possibility of hackability. Now you even have the New York Times in one of its editorials acknowledging that these machines indeed can be hacked, and obviously the Diebold company is in trouble for a lot of other reasons. So, this is something that really has to be followed up on. You can't leave the voting integrity of America and the rights of citizens to know what happened to their votes in proprietary hands. It's simply absurd to believe that could be the case. And so I believe there's not just the issue of survielance and not just the issue of accountability for violation of people's rights in terms of the organizations and their right to assemble, but also the fundamental right in our democracy to be able to have your vote count and be counted, is still at question, and we have to stay on that one."

I am glad to see him talking about this and committing to "staying on it."

I would take one issue with something he said however. It was not he, or the Democratic party that brought the lawsuits in Ohio. It was the Greens, the Libertarians, and a handful of unpaid lawyers, who put their guts and reputations on the line and stood up for our democracy while Senator Kerry was busy conceding and running from the counting of electoral votes in the Congress. The Democratic Party did get involved in some of the lawsuits but by and large they did not lead the way by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, if you talk to the lawyers involved, they will all say that the Kerry camp was fighting against them and asking them to drop their case.

I suppose that's water under the bridge now, but we are still dealing with the after affects of a stolen election. Nonetheless I hope and pray that Mr. Kerry is serious when he says "we have to stay on that one."

I hope Kerry is serious to, because looking back at what our side did or didn't say or do at a certain time is not good for the movement. Moving forward Kerry not only talked about it, Kerry spoke in OUR language about it.

is the only way to learn from mistakes :)

and I must say I have a little problem with him claiming that "we broght a couple lawsuits"... taking credit for someone else's work when he actually fought against them is a little strange. but as I say, if he redeems himself by actually doing something about it, i'll forgive him for the past.

if memory serves me, because their case would have been dropped unless Kerry signed on. Again I may be wrong but if it was Kerry's lawsuit from the start the media would have already made minced meat out of the case, but because it was the Greens and Kerry was the innocent bystander that signed on only helping out the Greens is why the case lives on.

IMHO people wouldn't be calling us "tin foil hatters" today, and we'd be further along on our path back to democracy.

I hope to God that Kerry flips and starts giving this some attention. All I'm saying is that he hasn't been the greatest help in the past. the whole thing with M.C. Miller and how he denied agreeing that the election was stolen, just shows that something is wrong.

but the glass is half full. hopefully this interview indicates a new direction for him.

to get to total and true election reform, I think the way it is playing out is best because more people understand how it is being manipulated than ever, there is a train load of information on the web and in books right now, so much that its getting pretty difficult for the people picking our government with these machines to deny.

Now is the best time (maybe a few months late) but none the less the best time for Kerry and whoever else Dem or Repug to make their move, to take these vote counting machines out.

M C Miller is another story while I don't agree with him revealing a private conversation that he had with Kerry (and I believe Miller did have that conversation) I would not fault MC for making the mistake because it does get pretty DAMN aggravating having our whole damn government silent on such an important issue.

I hope Kerry just tipped his hat to us that he is reporting for duty.

If I'm right I may even start praying!