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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:43 AM
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Poll question: Did the OH election officials lie about meeting with Homeland Security
or were they duped by some GOPers with excellent acting skills and fake credentials?

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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:00 PM
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1. Bush Elector on the Election Board
others were possibly duped by said elector
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:01 PM
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2. And those officials are mostly Republican
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 12:03 PM by Kathy in Cambridge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=36181

Board Members

Susan Johnson, Director
Sharon Fisher, Deputy Director
Robert Hammock, Chairperson
Stella Hagemeyer, Board Member
Barbara Sizemore, Board Member
Leslie J. Spaeth, Board Member

http://www.co.warren.oh.us/bdelec /

Leslie Spaeth is a Bush elector.

Stella Hagemeyer is also a Republican:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=OH&la ...

Barbara Sizemore's husband gave to Bush

SIZEMORE, DWIGHT
LEBANON, OH 45036
SELF-EMPLOYED/N/A BUSH, GEORGE W (R)
President
BUSH-CHENEY '04 INC $500 05/14/04

I don't have info for Sharon Fisher. The last name is too common.

Susan Johnson is too:
according to this old page at electionohio.com, the board composition in 2002 was as follows:

Director Beverly A. Moore (D)
Deputy Director Susan Johnson (R)
Chairperson Stella Hagemeyer (R) 2/28/2002
Member Robert J. Hammock (D) 2/28/2002
Member Earl Sizemore (D) 2/28/2004
Member Leslie J. Spaeth (R) 2/28/2004


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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:50 PM
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6. Barbara Sizemore's husband is not Dwight
Barbara Sizemore is the Chair for the Democratic Party in Warren County. She took over when her husband, Earl, died. He was the chair. She did a lot to help with the Kerry campaign. I know her, she did not give money to Bush- she hates Bush.
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rmf Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:02 PM
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3. Keith Olbermann interview with Newsweek
Keith interviewed a guest from Newsweek last night (11.10.04)
about the Voter Fraud controversy. This guest suggested that
the reason the media had not picked up the story earlier was
because of the 3.5 million voter difference. I emailed Keith
Olbermann telling him that his guest did not take into
consideration that we don't elect our presidents based on the
popular voter but on the Electoral College. With this in mind
there was a difference of 136,000. When you couple this with
this new revelation of the FBI, Homeland Security asking
whole precincts to shut down in Ohio (on election day!)
because of a terror threat, this whole thing becomes more
ominous.

P.S. Keith contacted the FBI and Homeland Security asking
about this. They know nothing about a terror threat or the
shutting down of voter precincts on election day.
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 05:03 PM
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9. I think the 3.5 mill is precisely why
they thought they would get away with it. They learned from their mistakes in 2000, tried out the new process in 2002, and implemented it on a national scale in 2004. 2006, they'll capture the needed 5 seats in the senate, and probably 25 more in the house with it.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:25 PM
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4. definitely lied n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:32 PM
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5. The Ohio Factor: Did Homeland Security and the FBI interfere With the Vote
The Ohio Factor: Did Homeland Security and the FBI interfere With the Vote


AMY GOODMAN: Can you summarize your piece in today's Cincinnati Enquirer?

ERICA SOLVIG: Well, the story that ran today is reiterating the County Commissioner’s stance of Homeland Security concerns. They say, as you have already mentioned, that the county was facing a terrorist threat that ranked 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. We talked to several officials with the homeland security department as well as the FBI. They knew of no increased terrorism concerns in Warren County in particular, and just, again, raising the continuing concerns regarding Homeland Security and being locked out of the building. The primary focus of all of the articles has been on, you know, the First Amendment issues and the open government issues that are raised when the public and the media are locked out of the process.

AMY GOODMAN: You have interviewed a number of people for your pieces; among them was a news director at a local TV station?

ERICA SOLVIG: That's correct.

AMY GOODMAN: What did he say?

ERICA SOLVIG: He called this a red herring. Bob Moreford, the News Director at channel 9, CWPO TV, the ABC affiliate here said he had never seen anything like it, and WCPO as well as the Associated Press and the Inquirer all received the same response when they tried to get into the building on election night, and that was being locked out. Moreford said that he considered it a red herring. He continued to say, “That’s something that's put up when you don't know what else to put up to keep us out.”

AMY GOODMAN: We're taking a look at Keith Olbermann's blog from MSNBC. He was quoting the statement given out by Warren County Commissioner Pat South to MSNBC. You have also been quoting her a great deal. It's quite a remarkable quote. It says, “About three weeks prior to elections, our emergency services department had been receiving quite a few pieces of correspondence from the office of Homeland Security on the upcoming elections. These memos were sent out statewide, not just to Warren County, and they included a lot of planning tools and resources to use for Election Day security.” Pat South went on to say, “In a face-to-face meeting between the FBI and our director of Emergency Services, we were informed that on a scale from 1 to 10, the tri-state area of southwest Ohio was ranked at a high 8 to a low 9, in terms of security risk. Warren County in particular was rated at 10, 10 being the top highest risk. Pursuant to the Ohio-revised code, we followed the law to the letter that basically says no one is allowed within 100 feet of a polling place except for voters, and that after the polls closed, the only people allowed in the Board of Elections area where votes are being counted are the Board of Election members, judges, clerks, poll challengers, police, and that no one other than those people can be there while tabulation is taking place.” And yet, Erica Solvig, now the Department of Homeland Security and FBI are denying that they ever talked about a security risk here?

ERICA SOLVIG: They're saying that they were not aware of any increased security risk in Warren County on Election Day. The county has declined to give us the agent's name who told them this, because they haven't talked to this agent - this is an FBI agent - anytime recently. But the Homeland Security officials that we have talked to in the area, as well as the FBI, are unaware of any increased security risk on Election Day. Again, the primary concern was being locked out of a public building on a night when the entire nation was watching, waiting for the results.

AMY GOODMAN: Is Warren County, Ohio, republican or democrat?

ERICA SOLVIG: It is Republican, but politics aside this was an unprecedented action on their part. As far as we know and as far as the Ohio Secretary of State's office knows this is the only county in the state that locked the public out of the building.

AMY GOODMAN: One more time, as you point out in today's Cincinnati Inquirer piece, Pat South the commissioner describes the FBI agent coming to her?

ERICA SOLVIG: The FBI agent apparently spoke with some county officials who then relayed the information to the commissioners. He actually spoke directly to Frank Young, who is quoted in the article as well.

more
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/1536254

duped by someone
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:15 PM
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10. Thanks for the link n/t
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:57 PM
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7. I think they lied because they did not "warn"
any citizens. They did not contact the Board of Education which has 2 elementary schools within 300 yards of where this stage 10 security threat was supposed to take place. Either they lied or they are extremely incompetant at protecting their citizens. I think if they were duped they would have invoked the color system and at least have told key people like the superintendant of schools and precinct judges to look out for unusual things. I think they wouldn't have let me walk into the BoE without questioning me on election day if they really thought there was a threat.
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:10 PM
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8. Motive....
Is everything here. Assuming a conspiratorial intent, which seems quite possible although uproven, what in particular about Warren County would be so significant that they would do this here, and nowhere else -- or would it just be some local thugs taking over things to shift a few votes within the county? It seems like a pretty high risk thing to do unless there was a more significant pay-off, such as the whole state vote being hijacked from this site. Does that make sense? Anyone have any ideas on this.
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