Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Has Any State Banned DRE's?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 06:35 AM
Original message
Has Any State Banned DRE's?
There are a lot of states requiring VVPAT with DRE's (and who knows what that paper is worth, but I digress).

A lot of states will have a mixture of OpScans and DRE's as counties see/saw fit.

Some states haven't certified a DRE for use, not that they may not eventually. So they are a grouping, too

But, what I'm wondering is if any state outright banned DRE's, with a possible exception of one per polling place for disabilities purposes. (Better a ballot marker in that case, but, again, I digress.)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:15 AM
Response to Original message
1. WTFYTA?
What The Fuck Ya Talking About?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:12 AM
Response to Original message
2. Didn't Connecticut do this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. CT only cancelled the RFP for DREs. They still have the option
of purchasing them when a new RFP is issued.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 02:14 PM
Response to Original message
4. Vermont has banned DREs.
we passed a law forbidding any voting that is not done on paper ballots.

we ended up with Diebold opscans instead.

they're always a step ahead of us. eventually we'll catch up. we are working to get random audits here now.

but to answer your question, yes, Vermont has definitely banned DREs. You might want to check into Oregon too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Thanks. And will do on OR. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. ask Amaryllis n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. OR has approved the Automark for disabled voters. OR law requires
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 09:28 PM by Amaryllis
a paper ballot and the ability to hand recount so the automark was the only
thing that met that requirement. Our SOS passed the law requiring a paper ballot that was hand recountable...not sure when, but it's been a couple years, anyway, so the Automark was the only thing for disabled voters that was compliant with OR law. So I guess technically, while DRE's aren't actually banned, they are not compliant with OR law. We have no DRE's; the whole system is vote by mail. But, you don't have to mail your ballot; you can take it to BOE or your branch library. Vote by mail already solves most accessibility requirements for disabled voters.

BUT, we still have ES&S and Sequoia scanners and tabulators doing the counting, so that's our main area of focus. In that respect we are pretty much like VT. All paper ballots, but I sure don't trust those scanners and tabulators.

Fortunately, we have THom Hartmann doing his local show in Portland, and he is on this constantly, talking about proprietary software being used to count our votes, and all the dirt on the companies and so on. We can always call in and bring it up, too. He has actually told us to do that as an action item - call his local and national show and bring it up. He feels so strongly about it that he will always find a way to bring the discussion around to that, even if it's off topic when you call. Just say you want to talk about electronic voting and he will put you on, but you may have to wait if it's off topic or if he has a guest on talking about something else.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:29 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. So AutoMark is the extent of it. Could be worse.

A great model, I think, actually.

It's neat, too, that they wouldn't use a VVPAT DRE for the diabilities community and went with a "Ballot Marker".

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. But the vote counting is a BIG issue...vendor scanners and tabulators.
The rest of the OR system is great, but we also have election officials comitted to fair and honest elections. Wouldn't work in OH or FL. If they're bent on corruption, they can corrupt anything, but obviously a system based on paper is harder to corrupt on a massive scale.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. same here in VT
it appears great on the surface, with all paper ballots. but the vote counting is all secret. which makes it only slightly better than DREs. What's worse, there's a misconception that our system is secure because we have paper ballots, and it's an uphill battle here to recruit activists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Same here as far as the perception that things are great, but Thom
Hartmann is making great strides in dispelling that illusion, at least in the Portland area, which is the largest population base.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. I understand.

It's difficult in that a lot of reformer need(ed) to use OpScan to fight off DRE.

How do they go back and say lose the OpScan, too.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. who makes your scanners? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. here is the VT law: AN ACT RELATING TO VOTING MACHINES.
NO. 94. AN ACT RELATING TO VOTING MACHINES.

(S.202)

It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont:

Sec. 1. 17 V.S.A. § 2478 is amended to read:

§ 2478. NUMBER OF PAPER BALLOTS TO BE PRINTED AND FURNISHED

(e) No voting shall occur in any general election which does not use printed ballots.

link to law:
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/legdoc.cfm?URL=/docs/2004/acts/ACT094.HTM

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 02:51 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC