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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:12 PM
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What MoveOn is doing about election fraud; My input to them...
I got this email from MoveOn.org:

Time and again, MoveOn members rank election integrity as a top priority. There are lots of ways to make our elections more secure and fair, so we're asking a small sample of members to help decide what we should focus on.

Can you take this short survey today? (link)

In 2005, MoveOn members made great progress on election integrity. The highlights are:

We advocated nationally for paper records. Thousands of MoveOn members called Congress seeking to make sure every vote is recorded securely and accurately. Hundreds met with Congressional representatives face to face. Our efforts helped add 24 new co-sponsors to this crucial legislation, but it hasn't passed yet. We'll continue to put on pressure in 2006.

In North Carolina, Colorado, Hawaii, Connecticut, and California, we won legislation requiring electronic voting machines to print paper records. Phone calls by MoveOn members played a big role in these victories—showing legislators that the public was watching. This year, 19 more states required a paper record of every vote, bringing the total to 27. More than half the states now guarantee reliable voting machines.

In Connecticut, members helped pass the most sweeping campaign finance reform in the nation's history, setting a new standard for fighting corruption. We worked closely with groups like Public Campaign and Common Cause to add pressure at key moments.

In Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Virginia, members are successfully beating back Republican efforts to make voting harder for people of color, elderly, disabled, and low-income voters. Members have stopped provisions requiring every voter to have a photo ID and disenfranchising former prisoners who've served their time.

In Ohio, we supported investigations into voting machine discrepancies. Member donations funded legal action that dug up secret electronic voting machine records and paper documents to compare them to and supported a national voting machine expert in analyzing the data. This analysis is being used to fight for accountable voting machines for next time.



My response (they only gave me one 4" long line in which to type my answer so it is rather "stream of consciousness):

IMMEDIATE NATIONAL EDUCATION campaign explaining the MANY ways in which fraud has occurred in 2000, 2002, 2004 so that many different groups will be inspired to act. (If Reagan's Sec of Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts, can write about the theft of Presidential Election 2004 - so can MoveOn.org!) Fund local groups who will host educational events, mail pamphlets, create and air commercials so that voters know their rights and know what to look out for.

FUND POLLS by a reputable, independent company across the nation before, during, and after the election (contact Steve Freeman at Univ Penn!).

Fund and publicize the work of teams of LAWYERS (Paul Lehto) and COMPUTER SECURITY SPECIALISTS (Avi Rubin, Rebecca Mercuri, Chuck Herrin) and citizens who are fighting election fraud.

Support minorities across the nation who are disenfranchised election after election - African Americans, Native Americans,...

BUY MARK CRISPIN MILLER TV TIME to explain what has happened to our elections.

VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS don't mean *squat* unless all elections are audited (A random 10% of all precincts recounted in each country across the nation irregardless of the 'outcome' of the election. An election result does *not* have to be close to be stolen. It is *just* as easy to change 70% to 30% as it is to change 48% to 52%.)

FOR DEMOCRACY'S SAKE - whatever you do, do it LOUD and do it NOW!! If we have 2006 elections stolen out from under us we will have passed a point after which there is *no* return in this nation.

We've got to get the DNC to take this on - the next time an election is stolen the candidate needs 1,000 Dems standing right behind him/her until all questions are answered; all issues resolved. I do *not* want to belong to a party that strong arms election results - I just want ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, fairly counted. Please now, please now, please now, please now - I have been screaming about this since November 3, 2004 when I was awoken to the situation with a sledgehammer. I tried to get your attention. I emailed Eli Pariser directly (a friend had his email). Nothing. Betrayal.

Hooks you now have: The GOP *is* the culture of corruption. How has Abramoff money been used to steal elections? Has the NSA been involved - why the Homeland Security Alert in Warren County, Ohio in 2004? Stealing elections "for the greater good" is now the ethic of the GOP, most GOP citizens are honest as the day is long. Many think they are just playing "hardball." Others have been College Republicans who are taught in seminars how to win elections by making it hard for people to vote. ES&S; Diebold; Sequoia are Republican-owned, controlled.

Contact Chuck Herrin - Republican White-Hat Security specialist for help learning how bad the situation is and what we can do about it.

Sorry this isn't well organized - it's hard to type an essay in one 4" box.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING!!! IndyOp

By the way, I drove to Indy last Friday and dropped off petitions/letters to stop Alito - Bayh's staff seemed *happy* to see me.


What do you think?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:22 PM
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1. Here's a link to the MoveOn survey.
There are lots of ways to make our elections more secure and fair, so we're asking a small sample of members to help decide what we should focus on. We haven't taken a position on many of these yet, and your answers may help us do so.

How interested would you be in participating in the following election integrity campaigns?

1. Prohibit partisan officials like Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell from running elections

2. Represent minority views by replacing winner-take-all elections with proportional representation

3. Require electronic voting machines to print voter-verified paper records

4. Reduce long lines at polling stations

5. Fight restrictive rules requiring ID to vote

6. Provide public financing for campaigns to reduce dependence on big donors

7. Expand same-day voter registration and early, absentee, or weekend voting

8. Replace the Electoral College with direct popular election of the president

9. Eliminate the third-party "spoiler" effect with instant runoff voting

10. Train all poll workers to protect election integrity


http://political.moveon.org/eintegritysurvey/survey.html


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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:02 PM
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2. Screaming loudly, tearing hair and rending garments...they still just
don't get the vote counting issue, the vendors, the proprietary software...What is WRONG with these people? Thousands of us have been emailing them, some since before the election (those who were following what was happening before the election) and they still just don't get it.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:17 PM
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3. Thank You for the Link!
I got one of those 'private' email links and having responded once it would not let me back on again. I never can find anyway to get information to MoveOn unless I host one of their actions and get access to a 'Contact Us' link -- never have gotten a response.

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:42 PM
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7. Not many here have had luck communicating with them, either.
Aside from filling out this survey, and posting the link, it's been a long time since I've bothered with them.

I've moved on.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:17 PM
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4. MoveOn went strangely quiet just after the election.
And, a contact who helped me launch their book in San Francisco, and who Wes consulted on a daily basis, told me outright that he doesn't work with them any more because they aren't in the least interested in input.

I trust that contact implicitly. But, that was only his communication to me about his experience.

Can't help thinking, MoveOn must have been much more successful than they thought they would be, and, much more quickly. Orgs have developmental stages just as people do, right? It would be a good thing to see them work their way through whatever problem is holding them up at this point.


fwiw,
Beth
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:20 PM
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5. MoveOn is getting hit hard by the right on a regular basis, so they are
trying hard to be legitimate, level-headed, serious and they are therefore missing *the* biggest issue we have before us today.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:26 PM
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6. Oh, believe me, I've actually thrown things against
walls over this. (Sorry, family, pets and neighbors!)

MoveOn is why I found my way to DU.

But if you think about it, they are babes. They need time - just as Skinner and EarlG and Elad needed time -- to find out what works and what gets you creamed.

TrueMajority is MUCH MORE on the same page with us!

Remember, before the election, they had a "the computer ate my vote" campaign?

They are smaller but much more interactive and they're ALREADY INTERESTED.

FWIW, every single time I've emailed them, they've responded, even if it took a week or two:

info@truemajority.org

:)
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:43 AM
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8. My response, of course written "on the fly"
Get private corporations out from in-betwee the voters and their votes.

Re-enfranchise the poor and people of color.

MoveOn has been out of step with its constituency on election integrity issues and has lost much respect on the left as a result. If you want to find your way back to your former position, you must listen not only to your members (and not just a select group of members!) but also to those committed activists, statisticians, Congress members, computer experts, community leaders who have been in the trenches slogging through these issues without access to the exposure or financing that MoveOn's participation could have brought.

There is no point in pouring money into political campaigns when the casting, reporting and counting of the votes cannot be trusted. The current election system assures inconclusive results.

Do you know about the Voter Confidence Resolution passed in Arcata, CA? If not, find out about it. MoveOn could get that passed in hundreds or even thousands of communities around the country.

This is a struggle that must be waged on many levels. Respect the expertise of those already doing the work, rather than trying to re-invent the wheel. Glad to see you're finally taking notice. I hope this signifies an end to MoveOn's apparent dismissal of this absolutely crucial set of issues.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:51 AM
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9. Thanks for the VCR plug, emlev.
Maybe I'll take the survey too.

Voter Confidence Resolution
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:56 AM
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10. Hey, it's the least I could do ;-)
At least I thought it was. Though I must say, Guv, that I keep surprising myself by discovering how much less I seem able to do than I previously thought.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:58 AM
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11. Here is what I submitted
We need MoveOn to organize a coordinated push to get many City Councils to follow Arcata, CA in adopting the Voter Confidence Resolution: http://guvwurld.blogspot.com/2005/04/voter-confidence-resolution.html. This not only lays out the requirements of a comprehensive election reform platform, it also enables us to challenge the assumption that the government still has the Consent of the Governed. Election reform is not a goal unto itself but rather the best tactic to catalyze the non-violent revolution.
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:52 AM
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12. Kick & recommended
thanks for posting this. IndyOp. I've also been hitting them regularly with updates on the issue. As lame as their survey is, we can use as an educational tool. Please take the time to fill it out and let's make our voice heard!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:38 PM
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13. Excellent, back later to savor!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:35 AM
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14. Kick
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 05:25 PM
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15. Don't waste your time because. . . .
Time after time, election integrity has been deemed the No. 1 priority given from house parties, etc., but they never do it.

I was told long ago that the reason was that they don't want to cross the ACLU that had worked so long and hard to get rid of punchcards and championed DREs. However, that they are funneling money to at least one longtime and well regarded election integrity group.

My source is pretty reliabe, BUT this is now old news. Things have changed dramatically from a year ago. What is it now that keeps them mute?????

I no longer give them money. Instead every penny goes to the "Mother of All Issues." And everyone on this forum knows what that is.

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