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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:53 PM
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VOTERGATE is potentially the BIGGEST CRIME IN US HISTORY! And.....
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 02:56 PM by jackstraw45
is there a SINGLE official investigation going on?

We have RECORD numbers of democrats SUPPOSEDLY voting for Bush at a time when Democrats are united as never before? People have been convincted of MURDER and EXECUTED on weaker circumstantial evidence yet it is dismissed as "conspiracy" by the Corporate Media stooges bowing to their GOP tax-cut masters.

This has to be the BIGGEST CRIME in US history and we CAN'T let them get away with this!

Have any lawsuits been filed? I think there are enough RED FLAGS to draw suits in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, North Carolina, and New Hampshire at the very LEAST.

Where are the COURT challenges? Anyone know when we can expect some legal action?

Thanksgiving is right around the corner and December 13 is our deadline.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:56 PM
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1. Say it loud, and keep saying it - the story has momentum
thanks to DU's dedicated folks! Democracy saved by ordinary people, some of them in their pajamas! :thumbsup:
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dissenting_voter Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:24 PM
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20. Yes, keep it moving...It's up to US
The story is getting more momentum and much of the noise has been caused by US, the web community. When the issue of election fraud comes up (Olbermann, Washington Post, Wired, etc.), many times they reference the netizens and bloggers as the source of the movement. Randi Rhodes of Air America talks with conviction about the election fraud on her show constantly since November 2, and so does Mike Malloy. Last night, Mike said the noise about all this is coming mostly from US.

Be warned, there is still the impression and conviction that Bush won, on both sides of the aisle, Left and Right. All the arguments being circulated (i.e. what Democrats need to change, Bush's evangelical turn-out, America's new morals, etc.) are all based on the false premise of Bush's win, and are burying the main story that matter MORE THAN ANY OTHER.

So, let's keep talking about it everywhere. Write to your favorite blogs asking them to keep bumping the story up and keeping it there, write to magazines like The Nation, Mother Jones, In These Times, and let them know you want to see THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN OUR TIME --- THE 2004 ELECTION FRAUD written about in their publications, e-mail Air America personalities asking them to keep the story foremost in their shows, join discussion boards like this one and talk about it with confidence and conviction.

Believe me, your voice CAN be heard. I personally sent Mike Malloy an e-mail yesterday asking him to talk about HelpAmericaRecount.org. Not only did he read the e-mail on the air, but asked his listeners to go onto the HelpAmericaRecount site and contribute to the fund, then went on to say that we, all of us in the web community behind this issue, the most important issue of our time, need to KEEP THE STORY ALIVE!

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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:06 PM
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22. kick
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:57 PM
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2. The media is just as guilty as BushCo.
Co-conspirators.

As Deep Throat said, "Follow the money."
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Lucypher Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:59 PM
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3. I think the the Iraq war would trump election fraud.... n/t
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:02 PM
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5. I respectfully disagree....
What is the United States without real elections? What happens to us when we cannot pick out leaders?

While we may not be a full democracy, dictatorship does NOT suit us.

We've had reckless wars before - that doesn't take away from the crime of the Iraq war or Vietnam but IF this election was stolen on such a MASSIVE scale, and there is no investigation, the United States of America is OVER.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:05 PM
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6. I disagree, if corporate complicity aided it & if it's repeatable
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 03:08 PM by lostnfound
Turning the world's most powerful democracy into the world's most powerful fascist oligarchy overnight.

Wars have often been started for trumped up reasons; they've just hidden it better.

On edit: Maybe you're right, though..any unjustified war is a bigger crime than a simple change in form of government.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:58 PM
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16. Bah! The war is old news, in spite of Bushco wanting to keep
its "slaughterhouses" in the front pages.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:07 PM
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18. Not a chance.
No way. No one will let an illegitimate president lead this country in a time of war, especially when he's the one who started the war - for no reason - in the first place.
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andyhappy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:01 PM
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4. voter fraud flash animation
I posted this earlier and got a lot of comments that the stats and text was too fast to read so I slowed it down a bit ...still a lot of info though!

check it out!
http://www.syntheticniche.com/comics/notblog_flash.html



dig it!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:07 PM
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7. I give it two thumbs up! n/t
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:20 PM
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8. moved to another forum by oscar
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 03:48 PM by oscar111
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:22 PM
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9. Sadly, the courts are our only recourse...
A general strike, while an appropriate protest, is not going to CHANGE anything.

I say we use the courts and when if all hope is exhausted, we look to other measures depending on how the investigation goes.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:22 PM
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10. supreme court
what happens with the fact there are only eight sitting judges right now - if this makes it there? Rhenquist (sp?) isn't supposed to be back for a while. Doesn't that switch it to a tie, most likely?
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:23 PM
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11. General strike if it comes to that, yes.

Don't tread on me!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:50 PM
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12. Right you are!
Manipulating our sacred right to vote is certainly far more evil than Nixon's goons breaking into the DNC or Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office.

Have faith & stay tuned...http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm
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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:20 PM
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13. KIKKK
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:26 PM
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14. I'm afraid the crime is so big that it won't be simply prosecuted..
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 04:27 PM by Junkdrawer
When Enron's fraud was exposed, Enron went bankrupt.

Can the US Government "go bankrupt"? How many elected officials are illegitimate? How many judges were appointed by illegitimate elected officials? How many laws are illegitimate?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:30 PM
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15. Remember YOU are the media
It is up to us to demand that something be done.

This is OUR problem. There are a number of action items that have been offered to you.

Continue to write to your friends, contacts, etc. and give them the list of things they can do.

There are rallies forming in various states. If you go to www.nov3.us you might find one in your area. If not, contact people from other organizations in your area and get together to organize.

As you said, time is short. WE must all do EVERYTHING we can.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:05 PM
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17. This is bigger than John Kerry now...
This the second time, possibly the third (2002), the voters have been cheated.

We no longer have a democracy!

We've got to take our country back -- starting NOW.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:07 PM
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19. I believe so...
:nuke:

DemEx
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:51 PM
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21. Who coined the term Votergate?
Votergate sounds like an accented version of Watergate.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:08 PM
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23. If the do pull this shit off our Democracy is finished.
We could run Jesus Christ and still not win.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:00 PM
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24. Yep, fix it now, or its all over in 2006 n/t
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:01 PM
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25. too late then, this it it. n/t
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faithfull Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:09 PM
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26. We could run Jesus and still not win.
Thank God.

Hed make an interesting president. He couldnt even visit our schools. I guess unless he brought satan.

O8) + :evilgrin: = :toast:

As long as they didn't run Jesus W. Christ a few years down the road.

:donut:
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:17 PM
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29. jesus christ? he's a pansy liberal. n/t
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:12 PM
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27. Votergate and 9/11-two biggest crimes in U.S. History
And invading Iraq on completely false pretenses to benefit Halliburton must be pretty high on the list too.

Bush and Cheney really take the cake for criminal activity!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:16 PM
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28. But this is JUST THE INTERNET.
We aren't credible. We're just "chatter". And remember, we screamed and screamed about the electronic voting machines, as I watched the election come closer and closer, until finally nothing happened.

Someday they'll listen to us. After all, some of us are actually more credible and more intelligent than those who claim to be the official sources for news.

We are the people.


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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:23 PM
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30. A the idiots in the media are missing out.....
on perhaps the biggest story of this new century. Imagine ,if we had the kind of journalist that we should have ,ones that do the leg work of investigating a story. Instead we have paper carrying ,useless ones that simply copy the White House talking points and report it as fact. How they sleep at night ,knowing that their job of keeping the goverment in check for the people , is not being done ,because of their greed ,their lack of bravery. They have just as much blood on their hands as this evil White House has ! If only one of them had the guts to put it all on the line ,a nobel prize may be in their future, however they are to blinded by the greed of their overblown paycheck to see that far !
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:29 PM
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31. We have to march!
March on media HQs..NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC.

Huge protests on their doorstep. That will at least get their attention. And we need to hand count as many paper ballots as we can. That will make Kerry president. It's that simple.
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