It's not about Bev Harris -- it's about Hursti, Funk and Sancho.

Judge the work on its own merits and know that it would not have been possible without the help of a couple of heroic elections officials.

One thing that bothers me though is: Why is it ALWAYS about Diebold? They really need to pick on some other vendors too, unless we are to believe that the rest of this junk is squeaky clean.

After all, Diebold were stupid enough to put their software out on the web, to overtly support a candidate for President and to buy Global Election Systems in the first place. It's not just Diebold I'm worried about -- it's the CLEVER ones!

Keep hope alive!

more painful death? Wow. I thought she dropped off the face of the earth, since I haven't heard anything about her lately. :disdain smilie:


NO MACHINES!!! PAPER BALLOTS! HAND COUNTS! DON'T LET DEMOCRACY DIE!!

with this thread. Keep hope alive, Go Hursti, Funk and Sancho.

They're such a distraction. What do you think? A nice quiet place, where those little flame-bait threads can be shuttled off to.
Why not? There is a 911 forum.

:shrug:

I'm not sure why the election REFORM forum should be used to BASH bev, it REALLY does not make any sense to me either. I wouldn't go to the 911 forum to bash bev, but yet they allow Bev BASHING to happen in the election REFORM forum. :shrug:

Then this entire site is nothing but a Bush-bashing site.

people will use this forum to discuss election issues.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=206x10

All you need are 10 people to sign up for it - she has that many of her proxies around to do it.

And I faithfully promise to never step foot in it to 'bash bev' as long as the rehab/fundraisers are confined to it!

:applause:

Wouldn't a better idea be to stop the aggression?

steer the message ... like what you guys are doing! O8) I don't see hordes descending on bev's forum - I do see bev directing her people to go off her site to try to spin for her, though!

Just how, might I ask, do you presume anyone's getting in hot water? Posters that disagree w/the bev rehab effort are just as entitled to their opinions as those the booster club, I'm sure you agree? Yes? No?

Must be frustrating to not be able to just delete every post you don't like ... like at the bev forum. My sympathies for the distress. :hug:

By the way - how's that aggressive fundraising going?

I thought this forum was to have POSITIVE ideas that will take us forward instead of back to a different day!

I thought this FORUM was for those that want to find solutions and hopefully make those solutions work before the next DIEBOLD selection.

I would love to see the efforts of this FORUM be directed as a Memorial To Andy.

That makes far more sense than wasting time bashing something or someone.

Let's bash the RepubliCONS in another forum.
The clock is ticking and the RepubliCONS are busy as bees, focused on getting those little Machines in place all over this country!

What the hell are we doing but bitching and moaning!
Let's MARCH and stop saying PAPER BALLOTS NOW!

Who are we talking to when we say that? Each other?

We must be talking to the choir because the Joe Average person hears that and has not a clue how to make that happen.

about other offenders, especially now that HAVA is ramping up the machine acquisitions.

Another thing that comes up over and over is polling places being switched (and eliminated) all over.

And, we're NOT hearing very much about the mandatory voter reg databases which leads me to believe that's where a LOT of the vaporizing action is. :(

reliability, etc. Not security flaws.

I agree about the voter reg databases.

of stress or panic where local election boards become less able to be diligent and more likely to cut corners and make mistakes. Whether by design or not, it works in favor of the riggers.

they manipulated election results, But kept the manipulation inside the MOE, Diebold BLEW IT all, now the game is up for all the voting machine companies. The honest Dem's and Repugs are trying to save the rigging machines that manipulated the elections, so that they can keep themselves in power.

Only a matter of time before they realize the game is up.

My two cents.

way beyond what they can possibly provide; have you not been reading Brad? A number of lawsuits against them for that reason.

making sure that a Democrat or a Republican was always elected. In other words ES&S wanted (the establishment) Democrats and Republican in control of the country, and they were able to pull that off for years.

Diebold wanted Republicans in charge of the country.

Their all greedy when it comes to money.

I have made a point in talks and interviews to explain that while we pick on Diebold, similar problems probably exist in ES&S and Sequoia systems.

for sure since the software is secret, and what are private corporations using proprietary software doing counting votes in a democracy anyway? And where are the checks and balances? END faith based elections!

on the unprotected internet site and told others about it, that meant lots more people could see it and get ideas....Well it's about time they could get more access to an actual machine.



If ES&S, Hart, and all the others would let someone choose one of their machines at random to inspect we'd know if their as bad or better or worse.......Better still, other election officials will be like Sancho and Funk and decide to have their voting machines inspected properly.

I've got no sympathy for Diebold.

"Meet the Vendors" forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=412184#412188

what did the ES&S VP say to you? I bet he shit a brick.

Bev Harris didn't find the code first, and she had no clue what it was she she found it. I ought to know, I'm the one she called to explain it to her.

And we are still waiting for the promised links to evidence that "DUers" knew about the bootloader contamination issue three years ago.

Please provide evidence, not just your say-so.

Everyone knows who found the Diebold files.

Now, Kelvin Malicious, if you had to "explain them to her" please explain to us why you never told anyone what you knew? If you knew so much, why didn't YOU release the report that came out yesterday at Black Box Voting?

You either did not understand what was in those files or you understood it but withheld the information. We're all waiting to see whether you choose Door Number One or Door Number Two.

Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century by Bev Harris with David Allen

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-9.pdf

Chapter 9, page 88



Now here's where we get another example of Bev revising history, and I really thank you for allowing me this opportunity to point it out.

The link above links to the REVISED edition of the book where Bev begins minimizing my contributions.

The next graf of the REVISED edition reads:



In the ORIGINAL version things are written a BIT different:

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/bbv_chapter-7.pdf

Chapter 7, page 122



So, you see Bev HAD to go back and add her little comment about my not being sure. In fact, I identified all the file types by their extensions and told her which file to concentrate on (.pdf, .doc, .txt, .asc, etc) and which to skip.

A prima facia example of Bev playing up her part while diminishing someone else.

Also, my actual words when Bev asked what we were looking at were: "The keys to the candy store". Bev re-wrote that to "incredible stupidity" because she feared prosecution because she then knew the true importance of the files.

As to why I never did any of this, it's simple. I'm a hardware guy with little programming experience. I know my wy around software, but I leaving coding to the pros. Which is what Bev did, she brough the code here to DU, then other people scoured the software.

Now that I have shown you what I said was true, will you apologize for insinuating I lied?

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

I asked you to provide a source and link for your contention that Bev Harris did not find the files. Instead you provide an excerpt which proves she did.

And you are basing your entire contention that "she had no idea what she was looking at" by saying she said "What am I looking at?"

It would be hilarious if that exact statement, those precise words, are also in the transcripts of the examination of the TSx system done in Emery County Utah, words between Harri Hursti and the expert from Security Innovation.

This is the kind of question one asks when seeking confirmation that what they are seeing is so startling that they can hardly believe their eyes.

Yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk

<sputters>
<wipes tears from eyes>

And for your grand finale you cite file names that are not relevant to the Diebold investigations. The file extensions used to hack the system in Leon County are .abs, not .pdf or any of the things you told her to look for.

I failed to parse the question and answer correctly.

Bev was NOT the first person to find the files:



How They Could Steal the Election This Time
by Ronnie Dugger
The Nation, 7/29/04

Also, I told her what files SHE needed to look at. Pointing her to .src, bas, etc would have been a waste of time since she didn't not jack about programming. Other people with appropriate expertise worked on the source code.

BTW, Dugger interviewed Bev for the story, so again, it is from your idol.

*Ching*

I keep forgetting that $25 for Bev.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Now how did I do that?

The information came from Bev and myself. He spoke to me first, then Bev, so she had ample opportunity to correct it if she disagreed.

Again, which is more credible? You, who hides behind a fake name and make accusations without proof? Or me. who cites a reputable story by a reputable reporter in a reputable magazine and provides a link to it.

Ching! You owe Bev another $25.

Election Reform (Serious, no Bev apologists)

Having a separate forum where B*v threads can be diverted to?

It would function similarly to the 911 forum.

These people have done enough damage to the movement. They have steered it, split it, distracted it, made it doubtful of its own shadow, spun it, and done just about every other thing propaganda artists do.

They could not stop the story so they invested all their efforts into driving the story through the tiny funnel that is their minds, through the vast aperture that is their egos.

But this was never about egos nor personality issues. This was never about Andy, who was exploited shamelessly to suit an agenda.

I don't know what the agenda is, but it got so I could smell the bullshit a mile away. The truth belongs right here where the lies began.

pals and their posts.

Only now do you want to hide these debates in a separate location. Before you wanted to bash Bev right here in the election forum and kick the threads repeately hoping everyone will read them.

Is the glare of scrutiny and the existence of debate uncomfortable? Perhaps that's what the founders of this republic had in mind:

The First Amendment of the Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution guarantees four freedoms: freedom of religion, speech, press and assembly.

The Bill of Rights was ratified on December 15, 1791.

Since that time, those freedoms have been discussed, debated, fought and died for.

Since that time, millions of immigrants have come to America to secure those freedoms.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing.

They believed in the power of ideas and debate, not censorship.
http://www.riaa.com/issues/freedom/history.asp

I notice that it is only when both halves of the debate exist that you urge people to ignore these threads.

do we?

The First Amendment says that the GOVENRMENT shall make no law. This is not a government forum, but one run by private citizens who had every right to ban disruptive people who make the useful discussion impossible by their behaviour.

That said, the proposal on the table is for a separate forum for Bev worhsippers so they can masturbate each other to their hearts content and sing her praises until blue in the face. That is hardly censorship.

Again, I am struck by how much this sounds like Bev. She is FAMOUS for such clueless rants.

I can only assume that she attracts people with similar personality "traits".

It is against the rules to attack other members, so I won't name those who have been unceasingly belligerent and profane, but what was done so neatly here was to create an artifice to ban a member so as *technically* to stay within the limits of not attacking other members.

Many invitations were extended to Harris to sue. I've seen them here repeatedly. Goad and incite, then solicit her to sue.

I became curious as to what agenda could be served by soliciting a lawsuit in such a fashion. As you know, I do research in another area, and as it happens, this is not a new, not a novel, not a unique tactic.

One can derail a small organization by distracting them into lawsuits. What I have learned after doing a little more research is that for small organizations, ANY litigation is time consuming for the principals. Defamation litigation also significantly erodes the financial resources an activist organization can bring to bear on their issue.

And you were here when this went down?

Ah, but you read all the posts I am sure. Of course Bev's threats were deleted as are all posts of this type.

Bev engages in libelous conduct because she knows that we don't have the resources to sue. The difference between our side and hers is we actually have evidence of Bev's libel. She claims libel against herself, but the ultimate defense against libel is the truth. She won't take us to court because she knows that the truth will sink her publicly.

She really doesn't want to have to explain all those nasty posts about Andy, nor all the emails in my possession against respected academics.

And the blonde whacka-loon gets another $25!

you're "new" here. Remarkable learning curve.

So much knowledge with less than 200 posts under your belt!!!!!!!

Hmmmm.......

I had to use all those skills at this site. Persevered though, and waded through all the muck to make my own decision about who really had the knowledge, skills, money, time, man-power and the right connections to be able to examine the Diebold machines here in Utah. I'm happy with the outcome. Glad to see you keep the ER pressure on in...Georgia is it?

You



someone?

a long time before posting here this year.

in accusations.

I take you at face value.

been posting here on a forum where everyone is anonymous. Interesting to see all the varied personalities, if not faces, of ER activists, but disconcerting to have to make judgements that way.

Must leave to file a FOIA appeal with Utah's Lt. Gov. office. Contrary to Utah law, they are illegally withholding data fields and voter records from the state's voter registration database that I purchased at $1,050!

Not at all.

some of us aren't anonymous. :)

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

with 'em JD.

David Allen
www.blackboxvoting.com

If you post here, you may end up finding your name, maybe even your city
on someone's forum or over at the comments section of bradblog.

I have given up on DU as a place where there is anonymity.

Still, I prefer a pseudonym, because I am in a non partisan organziation,
and don't want to have my name linked to partisan sites in google searches.

Wouldn't want to intentionally mislead the masses with a headline, now. Hype and drama, Yes! But always with integrity.

:)

This Utah ER activist is very grateful for BBV, but especially grateful for Bruce Funk. Cheers to you, Bruce. :toast:

since it was on the wire. How patently, and typically Bev-like.

Bev was still banned for her vile conduct. No amount of nonsense changes that fact.

We've been fighting an uphill battle just to GET the press to report on ER stories. I'd be just as happy, if only one article had been written, instead of 44, as long as it was still published in those 100 different media venues. It's all about reaching the public to educate them about the e-machines as a flawed and unacceptable voting-system paradigm. Especially here in Utah, where a wire-story that's not aligned with the red-side very seldom sees the light of day in any media venue here.

edit for typo

because Bev Harris made abusive, screaming phone calls to the press when they said something she didn't like. She has threatened to sue many, many reporters who don't take kindly to this threats. I don't believe she has ever managed a single retraction, and the law suits never materialized. This from a woman who claims to be a "public relations professional"?



Keith Olbermann, Countdown, MSNBC

Goddamn it! We had Keith Olbermann on our side, now we don't.

If this was an isolated story, a person could write it off as an exaggeration by Keith. But we get the same type of story from other members of the press and other activists:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=211132

(By all means, read this post)

How many times do you get to read about Bev exscrescent behaviour before one is forced to admit that the problem lies not with everyone else, but with Bev herself?

besides the 44 that got others. That's 100 different markets with millions of people who will see it. :)

And that was only the first 10 pages of the Google News search! There are lots more now!

Keith Olbermann and Randi Rhodes would kill to have that kind of exposure.

So what "nonsense" are you talking about, the Hursti Report or the 100 markets I posted above where the 'main stream media' have reported on it. :shrug:

Personally I'm thrilled to see this story get this kind of exposure. I just don't understand why you seem so pissed off about it. Oh well, you can't please everyone. :hi:

Do they use bootloaders too?

the answer is yes.

I have repeatedly stated that ES&S and Sequoia prbably have the same security flaws as Diebold.

No one's going to take the Bev bashing seriously if you're going to resort to Fox's O'Reilly tactics.

BBV had the vision to commission to hire Husti to do the initial hack that led to the cascade Diebold vulnerabilities.

They are played important roles and we wouldn't be where we are now without ALL of them.

Be fair.

but the rumors I heard about you people appear to be true when are ya'll gonna deal with facts and not some made up fiction ? Is'nt it really about the masses of people in this country..black ,white,,,whatever that are being shafted ? So what kind of sense does it make to carry on the type of disgusting conversations being held here ? wwhen are you people going to acyually do something (like this so call bad org..BBV ? Otherwise all you folk are doing is making it harder for me and mine to make it and i'm getting tired of it ! Do something positive or get out...know what i mean Vern ?

So, by your estimation, Bev Harris is the ONLY person doing anything about this?

If you truly believe this, then your really need to do your homework.

Do you believe that one, or even one hundred people can achieve the removal of touchscreens from the American electoral landscape?

You are using classic propaganda techniques. Let me parse out your tactics here so they will be obvious for all to see.

1. You goad and bait, then cry out that you're a victim if anyone at all presents a different point of view or pushes back. This is a tactic called making the victim into the victimizer.

2. You repeat sound bytes (untruthful ones) over and over and over and over. This tactic is called "repeat a lie often enough and they will believe it." It was one of the tactics Hitler used, not that you have the charisma or historical importance of Hitler.

3. You use polarizing good vs. evil words, like "evil" and "those of us who are REALLY working for reform". This create a resilient mental picture in the minds of others. It is very much like white is good and black is bad -- one of the few things I disliked about Tolkein's Lord of the Rings in its written version, by the way. Excuse the digression.

4. You urge the practice of "shunning" -- a tactic used by certain religious sects to enforce groupthink.

5. You tell whoppers.

6. You accuse Bev Harris of the things you yourself are doing. You, Kelvin, are damaging the movement. It is you that burns your sources. (Remember when you posted the email address of the Diebold memo leaker on Democratic Underground, nearly giving Hunter a heart attack?

Perhaps in my spare time I'll commission a little report: The David Allen story, for newbies and those who have forgotten.

I very much doubt that I'll spend my time on such a pursuit. Only you seem to have enough time for that kind of cherry-picked propaganda.

But I said I have questions for you, and here they are:

You closed your Plan Nine Publishing corporation in 2004, the very year you were supposedly selling the Black Box Voting book. Did you for some reason lose interest in producing the book before you even started marketing it?

If so, why?

Did you not believe that the book was important?

If you knew that the book was getting covered by Vanity Fair and Time Magazine, why did you not fill your orders to Amazon.com?

I am trying very hard to see you as an activist and a warrior on this issue, but I am confused by the shutdown of your publishing corporation and your self-described limit of printing only 1100 books (coincidentally, just about the quantity for which you already had prepaid orders, but none for actually putting the book into the hands of the public once it was in print).

You post on the Yahoo finance message board, I won't "out" your screen name there, in accordance with the rules here, but my question is, the past few messages you wrote were somewhat along the lines of damage control for Wally O'Dell. Why did you choose to invest time in your busy schedule to put the record straight on Wally?

If one looks at archive.org for your web site, we see that for nearly five months you had a single article on the front page, one which celebrated the acquisition of Diebold machines with a paper trail. Did you have qualms about appearing so vendor-friendly?

Bev projection - She is always talking about people out to get her. Her latest is Diebold is hiring hit teams.



I have proven the truthfulness of my accusations over and over. The only repeated lie is "David is lying" or some variation thereof.



I am not the one banned from DU for threats and abusive behaviour, Bev is.



I believe any self-respecting liberal should "shun" anyone who consorts with Freepers.



This is another way of calling me a liar. I have proven my accusations repeatedly, but you keep pretending I haven't.



No that would be Bev. And what the fuck are you talking about I posted the memo-leakers email address?

You go right ahead. But let me make one thing very clear, your better sign your real name to it like I did mine with Bev.



I did not close Plan Nine. We are still going on. This is another piss-ant attempt to insinuate that I "sabotaged the book. This has been addressed before. Bev sabotaged the book in a fit of ego.

The rest of these questions are coming straight from Bev, and if she wants to rehash the same lies, I will not play along.



What the are you going on about now? Which screen name are you assuming is mine. Link please, Bev Bot.



Again trying to connect me to Diebold. It is tired and quite lame.

Make your accusation Bev Bot.

I want to apologize for the BS you and others have had to wade through trying to get to the bottom of this mess. Unfortunately, some here have a personal ego thing going on and it stinks up this forum from time-to-time.

While some anti-bbv.org here have participated in election reform in one form or another, it does appear as if bbv.org has produced, far and away, much, much more.

I am no fan of Bev, but am a fan of the org. Three years ago I sat here and read Bev's ground-breaking reports that led to me becoming quite involved in this whole fiasco, and without her reports, I doubt we'd be as close to closing the book as we are. Still, her manner did do some harm.

But, ya know what? I forgive her those mannerisms.

I've known, and closely watched, a few activists in other fields and it follows that almost always the leader of the pack receives these same kind of ego attacks. I've even been the recipient of such attacks.

Don't let it lead you astray, and do continue to speak your mind and become more involved. We need to all come together to rid this country of the scourge of e-voting.

Oh, welcome to DU. Be proud that you are new here, just as I was 5 years ago.

Very generous of you to forgive the wrongs she has done to so many people and to this movement.

:wow:

THE HOLE IN THE FENCE IS THERE BY DESIGN
I understand that the security flaw in the Diebold touchscreens is by
design - It is in all of them.

"Scientists, who have conferred with Diebold representatives,
said Diebold programmers created the security hole intentionally
as a means of quickly upgrading voting software on its electronic voting machines.

The hole allows someone with a common computer component and
knowledge of Diebold systems to load almost any software without
a password or proof of authenticity and potentially without
leaving telltale signs of the change."

So, at least some Diebold employees and possibly some temporary
tech people know about this already.
I wonder how much knowlege one needs of Diebold systems?

TAKES 2 MINUTES TO DO THE HACK?

"I don't know anyone who considers two minutes lengthy, if it's that,"
said Michael Shamos, a Carnegie Mellon University computer
science professor and veteran voting-systems examiner for the state of Pennsylvania.

ALREADY AT RISK:
Shamos considers this security flaw a risk to elections NOW, he doesn't say it is a risk only
if someone spills the beans on how the hack is done.
He is clear about this:

'States using Diebold touch screens are
"going to have to fix it because they can't have an election
without having a fix to this," he said.
Otherwise, states risk challenges from losing candidates
while being unable to prove easily that the machines worked as designed.'

SOUNDS LIKE MOTIVATED PERSON COULD FIGURE THIS
HACK OUT.

for over three years now! :wow:



If that's true, perhaps you should ask them why they chose to keep it a secret all this time instead of allowing the machines to be used in the 2004 elections! I'm OUTRAGED! :mad:

BTW, we're still waiting for that proof. :rofl:

3. Load a PCMCIA card with an update file. The PCMCIA card can be used to update the software on the AccuVote-TS terminal. This can be done by placing a PCMCIA card with an update file into the terminal and rebooting the terminal. The update file allows an attacker to overwrite any file on the system. Furthermore, by using this technique an attacker can install his ow n version of the ballot station software giving him the ability to completely invalidate all the results on that terminal. If he compromises the AccuVote-TS terminal used as the accumulator 25, he can compromise the entire precinct results.

http://corporate.raba.com/news/TA_Report_AccuVote.pdf

So the way we did that in the warehouse was, they would post whatever the update was on the FTP site. James would go get the file and put it on the cards. Because you load everything through the PCMCIA cards. You boot it up using the card and it loads the new software. "This was done in the warehouses -- once the machines were sent out to the county, these updates were done just to make sure the machines were running correctly. I went over to Dekalb . We updated 1800 machines in basically a day and a half. I still remember ol' Rusty, down at the warehouse, we ended up touching every single machine off the pallet, booting 'em up, update it, we had a couple hundred machines done when in comes a new update over the phone.

http://www.countthevote.org/behler_interview.htm

If I understand correctly - this is the security hole that is being talked about now?

I thought I understood that this was a deliberate design, and that all models
of Diebold Touchscreens had this "door", but why is it being
called new?

What is new - the discovery that this problem still exists?
Or what?

I am just trying to figure this out.

None of it.

The only thing that's new is that Bev Harris needs a vehicle for fundraising.

have confirmed to me that the BBV.org report identifies a problem that was identified in December 2004 by RABA Technologies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=428008&mesg_id=428008

We now await the inevitable counter claims of "uh-uh", "did not", and "your a liar" in response.

we are hearing indirectly from PA that they may be running the elections
with business as usual, as some officials are not
taking this as a serious risk.

I hope that is wrong, and that Shamos can scare the hair
off of them this week.

If Diebold had sold voting machines in North Carolina this year,
they would have had to disclose this defect to our State Board of Elections.
This gaping security hole would probably have had to be disclosed by the end of December 2005.


If they didn't disclose it to NC, then the CEO might be at
risk of criminal and civil penalties.

December 22, 2005. Diebold withdraws as N.C. voting equipment vendor citing that it wasn't able to meet the software code requirements. Diebold Election Systems told the State Board of Elections it would be impossible to meet a Thursday deadline to account for all software used by the company for machines certified to be sold in all 100 counties...A spokeswoman for Election Systems & Software, the lone vendor remaining, said the company will comply with all voting system requirements..."We're just going to go forward," state elections director Gary Bartlett said.
http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051222/APN/512221028&cachetime=5


NC'S NEW LAW AND VENDORS RESPONSIBILITIES

SECTION 2.(a) Part 2 of Article 14A of Chapter 163 of the General Statutes
is amended by adding a new section to read:

"§ 163‑165.9A. Voting systems: requirements for voting systems vendors; penalties.

(a) Duties of Vendor. – Every vendor that has a contract to provide a voting system in North Carolina shall do all of the following:

(1) The vendor shall place in escrow with an independent escrow agent approved by the State Board of Elections all software that is relevant to functionality, setup, configuration, and operation of the voting system, including, but not limited to, a complete copy of the source and executable code, build scripts, object libraries, application program interfaces, and complete documentation of all aspects of the system including, but not limited to, compiling instructions, design documentation, technical documentation, user documentation, hardware and software specifications, drawings, records, and data. The State Board of Elections may require in its request for proposal that additional items be escrowed, and if any vendor that agrees in a contract to escrow additional items, those items shall be subject to the provisions of this section. The documentation shall include a list of programmers responsible for creating the software and a sworn affidavit that the source code includes all relevant program statements in low‑level and high‑level languages.

(2) The vendor shall notify the State Board of Elections of any change in any item required to be escrowed by subdivision (1) of this subsection.

(3) The chief executive officer of the vendor shall sign a sworn affidavit that the source code and other material in escrow is the same being used in its voting systems in this State. The chief executive officer shall ensure that the statement is true on a continuing basis.

(4) The vendor shall promptly notify the State Board of Elections and the county board of elections of any county using its voting system of any decertification of the same system in any state, of any defect in the same system known to have occurred anywhere, and of any relevant defect known to have occurred in similar systems.

(5) The vendor shall maintain an office in North Carolina with staff to service the contract.

(b) Penalties. – Willful violation of any of the duties in subsection (a) of this section is a Class G felony. Substitution of source code into an operating voting system without notification as provided by subdivision (a)(2) of this section is a Class I felony. In addition to any other applicable penalties, violations of this section are subject to a civil penalty to be assessed by the State Board of Elections in its discretion in an amount of up to one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) per violation. A civil penalty assessed under this section shall be subject to the provisions of G.S. 163‑278.34(e)."

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2005/Bills/Senate/HTML/S223v7.html

In another thread she claims to have just filed it today. MANY months late.

OK, Bev, since we now know you are reading this, where is it?

Have you posted it on your site?

Are you going to scan it and post it here?

Are you complying with the several formal requests for copies of the paperwork that I know for certain have been filed with you?

The Election Center finally filed their 2004 return on November 17, 2005
with the IRS, and it hit Guidestar this year.

This link may or may not open for you -
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2004/541/578/2004-541578880-01f5aafa-9.pdf

If not, what is the relationship?

NO, Im sorry, should have explained.

sorry, the point is that The Election Center is a non profit (mis nomer)
and that they dragged out showing their 2004 return for a long time,
I thought for the longest time permissable.

They have been sitting on a huge pile of cash, nearly $1 million.

I just thought that no one could take more time than the Election Center!

I can see why the EC would want to delay having their 2004 tax return made
public, because we sent the information to our state lawmakers.

We wanted to show why the EC shouldn't be advising our state election officials.
The EC encourages lots of bad ideas for election administration, but good ideas
if you are selling voting machines or electronic poll books etc.

They would like to see us use internet voting, but in the interum, they
are pushing Vote Centers.

Sorry for the digression.

Just thought anyone would want to be more prompt than The Election Center.

Sorry, I thought you had found the un-findable.

BTW, in another thread, Bev Harris says she mailed her 990 this AM.

Certainly, you would think something so important would be scanned and posted for the world to see.

Unless they have something to hide............

And copies are owed to several people here who have formally asked for them.