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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:30 PM
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ANOTHER 100+ Machines Fail in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh)!
Edited on Tue May-16-06 10:31 PM by Amaryllis
E-VOTING TRAIN WRECK: Another 100+ Machines Fail in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh)!

More Disasters for Pennsylvania, This Time on ES&S Machines, Following Earlier Similar Disasters on Machines in Philly
ALSO: Rick Santorum Locked Out of Polling Place, Unable to Vote This Morning


Following on our earlier report today, covering 100's of electronic voting machines in Philadelphia which failed to start up this morning for Pennsylvania's primary election, we now have a similar report from the other side of the state.

100's of machines in Allegheny County, where Pittsburgh is located, also failed to work correctly today.

FULL STORY:
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002838.htm

Wonder how long this will have to continue before they get it that these things are not reliable and they oughta go back to paper!
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:33 PM
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1. Rick Santorum couldn't vote?!
Thank god!

Just kidding. Everybody needs to be allowed to vote and the fact shit like this is happening is simply fucked up. I don't think there is much of any other word to explain it. We need to be like Oregon.

Start making states have all mail elections. A very good way to do things!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:46 PM
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2. I am in OR and vote by mail works really well here because we
have a statewide system wiht outstanding checks and balances and an SOS who is committed to fair and secure elections. But if you exported it to FL or OH or other states with a corrupt environment, there are many ways to corrupt it since we get our ballots approx two weeks before the election. THis creates chain of custody issues when you have a state with corrupt election officials. Any system that is paper ballot based is superior to vaper ballots, but vote by mail is by no means a panacea.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:55 AM
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7. According to The Prospect, corruption is very difficult
Edited on Wed May-17-06 11:56 AM by Tiggeroshii
I understand he greatly underestimates the possibility of fraud, but it really looks that even if we use it with the people and laws we have in other states, the good will outweigh the bad. They are far better than machines, and turning an state election system like that completely rids us of the possibility of electronic electoral fraud(hacking and so on) in that state. This is a good set of articles, in my opinion.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=New+Ballot+Box
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:51 PM
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8. You are right that it is far better than voting machines and it does
Edited on Wed May-17-06 03:52 PM by Amaryllis
eliminate lines, etc. YOu are also right that it is very secure in OR, but mnay states think of it as just a statewide absentee balloting system, which it definitely is not the way it's done in OR with rigorous checks and balances.

Read Greg Palast (new book, see
http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=494&row=0 )about how they "lost" three million votes in 2004. I would be very concerned about chain of custody issues with vote by mail in the hands of Ken Blackwell or Jeb Bush. And there is still the vote counting issue. ES&S and Sequoia still program the scanners and tabulators that count the votes. But we are working on that...
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 01:54 AM
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3. I'm willing to pay big money for vote's
not really, but this one needs to get to the greatest. Anyone?
Please...........
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:30 AM
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4. I hope they go back to paper, not just because
these machines are pure junk, but because they finally face the facts and admit that these are merely election-rigging devices.


R'ed
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 04:39 AM
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5. K & R. It's on the Greatest page now. n/t
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:22 AM
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6. Interesting
According to the local birdcage liner here in NE PA everything's hunky dory statewide with those wonderful voting machines. :sarcasm:
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