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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:35 AM
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A new voting machine: Populex

• Local invention: Voting machine avoids errors by generating paper record, too


Sandy Morganstein, president and founder of Populex Corp.,
is shown at the company's Elgin headquarters. The company
manufactures touch-screen voting machines.


By Mike Sullivan
staff writer

ELGIN — Although Sanford Morganstein received votes of confidence from the corporate world for inventing the automated telephone attendant and runs a Chicago-based software development firm, he's not about to rest on his laurels.

At age 62, Sandy, as he prefers to be called, has drawn on his background as a physicist to develop the Populex Digital Paper Ballot, an invention that, based on early returns, would likely get Al Gore's vote.

President and founder of Elgin-based Populex Corp., Morganstein readily admits his invention is not the only machine using computer-based touch screen technology.

Rival companies in Texas and Nebraska also are vying for contracts from election officials, having been certified to sell its machines in Illinois and five other states.

But unlike most other touch-screen systems, Morganstein noted, the Populex electronically records and then prints a voter-verifiable paper ballot card.

The final ballot, he explained, contains a bar code that is scanned to record and count the votes on election day.

More: http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/business/3_3_EL21_POPULEX_S1.htm

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NJ_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:39 AM
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1. I go to the beach, pay to get in and receive a paper...


... receipt... This is new technology...? Kudos to this guy but you would think you would have had this in place in the 1930s, no...?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:39 AM
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2. I'd trust this method before I'd give Diebold a second
glance....

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:01 AM
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3. A machine that prints a paper ballot?
Brilliant! Who'da thunk it could be done?

Good luck, Populex!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:24 AM
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4. There is still the possibility of fraud if the paper can't be read
And all of this need for machinery is so unnecessary and a wast of money.
Why can't we have an election where you go in the booth, mark your paper ballot, then drop it in a shoot that leads to a counting room where equal members of the parties count and record the ballot and pack it away.
At the closing of the polls the total would be announced and the election would be over unless a recounting of the vote was called for. Instead of spending money on machines pay those people that count the vote and hold them to high standards.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:24 AM
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5. Cool!! This should go to LTTE of all major newspapers. nt
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:34 AM
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6. I think this has been around awhile. Another good one is Avante.
But neither one of these or the others that are probably untainted by Diebold and ES&S corruption have the marketing expertise (read bribery, hard sell, intimidation, lies, kickbacks, and every other scheme and device imaginable) to get on the SofS's short lists of certified machines.

ES&S and Diebold machines (and probably Sequoia as well) are made to steal elections not count votes correctly.
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newamericanpatriot Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:56 AM
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8. Still can be fudged without transparent code....
Unless the public's allowed to look at the code, all kinds of sneaky back-door cheats can be programmed into it.

There's an alternative:

Check out (and support!) the Open Voting Consortium -- all based on open-source programming, open to public inspection:

http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:55 AM
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7. And just how the hell do I verify a bar code?
I want the paper ballet in human readable form.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:36 AM
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9. Nothing that a machine prints out can be trusted. The code can record
one thing (not your vote) inside the machine, and print out something else (what you thought was your vote). Further, the vote--whether your vote or the fraudulent one--then zings through the electronic ether to a central electronic tabulator, where it can again be changed and manipulated, as needs be, by the fraudster code, and will never again be reconnected with that piece of paper that the machine spit out, that you have in your hand, that seems to be your vote, because audits/recounts are so piss-poor.

I suppose it's conceivable that this system could work with OPEN SOURCE CODE, but EVEN THEN there are perils of hidden code. Something as important as vote counting needs to BE SEEABLE by human eyes, trackable at every stage of the count, understandable by ordinary people, and RECOUNTABLE. Some day maybe it could be electronic, but the whole electronic thing is so corrupt, and has given us such grief in its results--more body bags, more torture, more massive theft, a $10 TRILLION deficit--it just needs to be chucked out, into 'Boston Harbor' with it, NOW. Clean house. Get new, HONEST election officials. And go back to paper ballots, handed at the precinct level, for the time being, until techs can rethink the whole thing. Also, private corporations--not to mention Bushite partisan corporations--have NO PLACE in our election system. None! Begone! Vote counting is A PUBLIC MATTER OF THE FIRST IMPORTANCE. Private corporations should have NO control over it whatsoever. The situation right now is that elections CANNOT take place without private corporate personnel on hand to service machines that nobody else understands, and whose inner workings are a SECRET. That is MADNESS!

What these dirtbag Bushites have done is to inflict an enormously expensive, unreliable, NON-TRANSPARENT election system on the states, with the HAVA $4 billion pigsty used to create an ADDICTION not just to electronics but also to SECRECY, a corporate trait, and to money itself. What used to be done efficiently on the most reasonable budgets in government, using volunteers in the precincts, now takes hundreds of times more money and is extremely INEFFICIENT, doesn't work, often breaks down, and nobody understands how it works and can't fix it,. So, even beyond the issue of Bushite corporate control through "trade secret" programming, electronic voting by private parties is the WORST CHOICE for an election system.
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:53 AM
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10. Seeing that Frank Carlucci, of the Carlyle Group, is on their
advisory board, I am a little skeptical about this company.

http://www.populex.com/Advisory.htm
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 08:41 PM
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12. Thanks Truckin, Populex is old news. & Connected.
WE did get Avante some attention in NJ, One smaller NJ county did buy the Full face Avante Vote trakker. One of the better or best {cough} of the DREs.
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Einsteinia Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 07:05 PM
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11. Bar Codes? No thanks!
We need to vote not get our votes tracked.
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