MCM Response to RFK/Manjoo on HuffPo:

Some Might Call It Treason: An Open Letter to Salon (3 comments )

Two weeks ago, Rolling Stone came out with "Did Bush Steal the 2004 Election?" -- a masterful investigative piece by Robert Kennedy, Jr., arguing that Bush & Co. stole their "re-election" in Ohio, and pointing out exactly how they did it. Primarily because of Kennedy's good reputation, and the mainstream credibility of Rolling Stone, the article has finally opened many eyes that had been tightly shut to the grave state of American democracy.




One week after Kennedy's article appeared, Salon posted an attack upon it by Farhad Manjoo, the magazine's technology reporter. That piece contained so many errors of fact and logic, and was throughout so brazenly wrong-headed, that several hundred readers sent in angry letters, many of them brilliantly refuting some of Manjoo's misconceptions and mistakes, and quite a few demanding that Salon cancel their subscriptions.

A few days later, Joan Walsh, Salon's editor, tried to calm the storm with a defense of Manjoo's writings on the theft of the 2004 election -- a theft that he had frequently addressed before, as he had been trying to "debunk"it ever since that infamous Election Day. Walsh did not answer any of the criticisms of Manjoo's attack, but merely re-asserted Salon's confidence in all his work for them.
At this point I decided to reply, both to Manjoo's piece (which, as I note below, had wrongly used my own work on election fraud to further slander Kennedy's) and to Joan Walsh's apologia. My point was not just to pile on (there was no need for that), but to attempt an explanation as to why so many reasonable people -- many of them self-described "progressives" -- keep refusing to perceive the copious and ever-growing evidence that this regime has never been elected. It was my hope that Salon might at least consider moderating its position on election fraud, which now demands more serious treatment than the magazine has thus far given it.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-crispin-miller/some-might-call-it-treaso_b_23187.html


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From the election fraud theorists laboring in their parents' basements all over this great land.

:D

Haven't heard this one for a while.

In Who Counts?, Dorothy Fadiman's forthcoming documentary on Republican election fraud, Bob Hagan, a Democratic state senator from Youngstown, tells of having had his own e-vote for Kerry flip to Bush -- a glitch that wiped out Kerry votes throughout Ohio (and at least a dozen other states), and yet the Democrats told Hagan not to mention it: "The Kerry campaign said, 'Leave it alone. Don't talk about it. It's not something we want to get out.'"

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He writes especially well about the reluctance of progressives and Democrats to even contemplate the topic of election fraud on such a massive scale:

10th :kick:

How are the Dems going to win in November when the Republicans have all the power, they control everyting, and so many Amercians haven't woken up yet. They just don't see what is happening in their country.

but mine did not show up-anyone know?

That this post hasn't garnered 100 recommendations already, simply stuns me.

This one's a keeper.

I'm like the guy who says, "Hey wanna come over and see the slides of my vacation?" Always be bush;)

I had a colleague of mine, known as "the scholar," review my Scoop article before I submitted it. He
had some excellent points, stated in unambiguous language.
:sarcasm:
Since I'm in the sway of a powerful guru, like the rest of the"do nothing but election fraud research" folks, I immediately obeyed and wrote a different final section.

These meandering words were excluded. Now that mod mom has given me 1/2 a chance, I'm inlcuding them.
Excluded (by me) from
"Scoop" Article
"Scoop" Print version of article

With friends like these who needs Republicans

Salon positions itself as an electronic mix of Atlantic, Harpers, and Vanity Fair. It has everything including insightful investigative reporting on issues vital to the highly educated knowledge workers it so desires as readers. Yet on the most critical domestic issue of its short history, Salon gives us Farhad Manjoo, their ace Staff Writer for Technology and Business (as he’s described). Salon joins the proud tradition of that more openly leftist publication for social justice, Mother Jones. In both cases, the publications allowed the presentation of articles filled with simply dreadful reasoning and argumentation. The most obvious example is the guilt by false association argument both authors and the journals that they represent use to tie prominent critics of the 2004 election to what are by their assertion only claimed by fringe leftist groups. Manjoo apparently missed this survey which found that a majority of Pennsylvania Democrats and independents think the 2004 election was stolen. Talk about a circular firing squad. With publications of the left like these, who needs a right wing?

Salon’s editor Joan Walsh had the unenviable task of writing the defense of the publication and Manjoo. She said, “But with people denouncing Manjoo, and Salon, as pawns of Karl Rove, it's worth taking a minute to place this debate in its proper political context.” Just a moment Ms. Walsh. You don’t get off that easy. No appeals to the sympathy vote (after all, who wants to be compared to Rove lately?). I do not consent. Your writer relies on not-so-clever rhetorical tricks; veiled implications of a negative sort; purports to reason without any logical basis; chooses sources with an obvious bias; asserts without sources; and ignores a mass of evidence that might contradict his claim.

How on earth does it benefit us to just get over it, move on to more important tasks and other catch phrases advanced by the deniers of fraud when the very ability to move forward relies on knowing the truth about our very recent calamitous history and preventing any more highly questionable, likely stolen, elections from taking place.

As an example Ms. Walsh, if your home had been virtually destroyed by vandals in November 2004 and those vandals were still on the loose with a grudge, would you want to simply forget it? Would that be something you should just get over, move on, forget?

To argue that yes there are issues of election integrity without facing the facts about election fraud is the height of absurdity. To give us analysis like that offered by supposed friends of the left side of the political divide is journalistic malfeasance. There is no law against it nor should there be but please do not whine to us about your angry readers when they mistake your obvious ineptitude and limitations in any type of reasoning, critical or otherwise, for a more nefarious motive. A bit of generosity is in order. Both Salon and Mother Jones lack the ability to analyze anything more important than a recipe book; as opposed to creating the conditions of ignorance leading to a recipe for disaster, which seems to be their current task.

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Posted to MCM's message:

This is a powerful statement that needed to be made and that must be read to fully to understand our current situation. We are without a functional democracy. Secret vote counting, dominated by one political party; inferior machines that should really be nothing more than ballot printers; and indifferent politicians...these have all conspired to leave us without any confidence in the legitimacy of our elected officials.

By their inaction, our "leaders" expect us to believe that they reflect our thinking, an odd circumstance. Somehow, in their self reflective kabuki, they think that they reflect our views. They should look at the Pennsylvania survey where 39% of those surveyed said 2004 was stolen and then they might look at the very recent Lou Dobbs poll showing 84% of those responding want to "abandon" electronic voting.

Where's the consensus for inaction? How can the Democrats bypass this vital issue? Does anyone remember the nearly unified national support for the Voting Rights Act? Is there more than a tiny fraction of Americans who, when given the facts of the case, support programs and policies that result in stolen elections?

The reason a large majority of Democrats and Independents in Pennsylvania think 2004 was stolen is evident: they watch this administration and how it behaves. How hard is that?

The Democrats can unite the country in an instant if they take the challenge of telling the truth - we are without legitimate leaders, "selected" in a fabricated election process designed to perpetuate power...for all involved.

This is one of the most elegant, comprehensive statements on voting rights that I've seen. THANK YOU!!!

This is a powerful statement that needed to be made and that must be read to fully to understand our current situation. We are without a functional democracy. Secret vote counting, dominated by one political party; inferior machines that should really be nothing more than ballot printers; and indifferent politicians...these have all conspired to leave us without any confidence in the legitimacy of our elected officials.

By their inaction, our "leaders" expect us to believe that they reflect our thinking, an odd circumstance. Somehow, in their self reflective kabuki, they think that they reflect our views. They should look at the Pennsylvania survey where 39% of those surveyed said 2004 was stolen and then they might look at the very recent Lou Dobbs poll showing 84% of those responding want to "abandon" electronic voting.

Where's the consensus for inaction? How can the Democrats bypass this vital issue? Does anyone remember the nearly unified national support for the Voting Rights Act? Is there more than a tiny fraction of Americans who, when given the facts of the case, support programs and policies that result in stolen elections?

The reason a large majority of Democrats and Independents in Pennsylvania think 2004 was stolen is evident: they watch this administration and how it behaves. How hard is that?

The Democrats can unite the country in an instant if they take the challenge of telling the truth - we are without legitimate leaders, "selected" in a fabricated election process designed to perpetuate power...for all involved.

This is one of the most elegant, comprehensive statements on voting rights that I've seen. THANK YOU!!!

Michael Collins

Although a frequent reader, I have hardly ever posted comment to Huff Po. I attempted 2 different comments (the first had a link so I thought they might not have included it, but the second didn't) Neither of my comments appeared. They were not derogatory. I emailed Huff Po to ask why but have not heard back from them.

I think they look at them but there are no naughty words or attacks on other Huff Post people.

Not very reinforcing since who has time to go back and check. I think 6 hours is enough sime, don't
you?

I'll keep you "posted" and be in a Huff if they don't put it up;)

and again later ~ 10 pm. I didn't use any derogatory terms, and no snips at Huff Po (which I frequently read) I talked about specific people (Ie Fitrakis, Arnebeck Baiman Freeman and suggested pele red their work. I also rec'd Fooled Again and Palast's Armed Madhouse. Comments popped up just after Huff Po picked it up. I wonder how many comments never made it. I posted it to the Ohio list servs (besides the national ones that MCM posted it on. Hmmh..let me know.

I wish I could send this to my repuke inlaws, but I know for a fact they wouldn't read it.

Oh hell, I'll send it to them anyway.;-)