Lou Dobbs - "Quite a little industry. E-voting"

Tonight Lou Dobbs completely gets it - he even goes so far as to
predict that Georgia's Secretary of State, Cathy Cox (AKA Cathy Diebold)
will win the election for Governor on the paperless voting machines she picked out.

He says that if he were betting... "I'd bet on, is it secretary of state Cox in this upcoming election? She gets to certify the results, decide on the machines, while running for governor."


Lou interviewed Johns Hopkins E-voting Expert Avi Rubin, Donna Price of Georgians
for Verified Voting and John Fortuin, Defenders of Democracy as guests!
All were excellent.

John Fortuin finds that Diebold comes up quite short to financial industry standards:



Avi Rubin points out the conflicts of interest with an election official
overseeing their own election, calls for transparency:



Donna Price drives the transparency and auditability factor home:



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/20/ldt.01.html

Excellent.

First DU's own "child star" Ava on screen, and now a discussion of the most taboo subject of all! They're cruisin' for a bruisin' from KKKarl - one call to the FCC and they're toast.

Bravo CNN; Bravo Lou Dobbs.

that appears to shock and disgust him. First it was Enron, then immigrantion, (he got a little hot over the Dubai Port deal) and Thank Gawd now it's the un-American voting machines. Imagine voting with no ability to recount the votes. We have laws covering recounts - what's to recount with no paper trail.

I've been e-mailing him everyday, begging him to do it.

hes not funny and makes me want to puke. Even if he were right on the issues, which he isnt even close, hes still not funny.

They showed that documentary, "Dead Wrong." It was damning to the Bush admin's case for war. I was just surprised that they aired it again. Amazing. I'm trying not to get my hopes up that we may have at least one network telling a little bit of the truth.

according to my TiVo, Lou Dobbs is on at 4am every day; it must be a rebroadcast of the night before.

he blames everything on Congress, never mentioning Republican rubber-stamp voting and knocking Democrats.

Granted, the above is a start, But just when one thinks CNN might give some truth and level the grounds, he says something bad about Dem's again and off goes the tube.

Lou mentions Republican rubber stamping quite often.

Why so much uncertainty?

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There is nothing more valuable than voting. Without it, we have nothing.

And he got it. I used to watch Lou in the early 90's. He didn't set off my BS detector. I wrote a long letter to Lou. I think he actually read it and digested it. This is not partisan. This is democracy.


Thank you! We're damaged, but not beyond recovery.

Maybe PC Voting will get the exposure needed to blow it out of tha water?

Giving somebody running for office the power of choosing voting machines, and certifying their own election is one of the huge
gaping holes in our electoral system.

Lou Dobbs is a real blustery little guy, and I totally disagree with the way he's handling the "what part of illegal don't you understand" immigration issue -- but there are times when he just nails an issue. I sincerely hope this is one of them.

Hekate

He had Congress shaking in their boots over the borders and immigration amnesty.

Write to Lou what you think he should be doing on election fraud. The more people write, the more he knows how important this issue is to all of us. here is his address. moneyline@cnn.com .

forcefully! Dobbs interviewing honest-to-God EXPERTS who could now appear on other shows -- and we are no longer loonies for recognizing the horrors of e-voting.

Quite a little business, indeed!

:kick:

Dean is not waiting for someone to make it appropriate to talk about the voting machines. The sad truth is Dean is comletely lost on this. He needs to be educated before he can speak about it. But before that, he needs to give a crap about it, and judging by the number of emails and letters that he has been ignoring about it, I'm starting to get the impression that he doesn't give a crap.

Read "Dean Doesn't Trust Machines" Dean just isn't the type to "not give a crap." So, there's really no need for sadness on that count. :-)

“We are also going to talk about the machines. I don’t think these machines work. If they do work, the public has no way to verify that they work, and I don’t understand why people in Washington aren’t more concerned.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x435488

"the only machines it seems we can trust are the optical scan machines"

I've heard him say this at least 3 times, so it's no mistake.

I'm sure he gives a crap... if he does, it would take about 5 minutes of research to realize the optical scan machines are no better.

He has said he doesn't trust machine voting, I didn't read any specific qualifiers this time.

I guess we'll see.

that optical scans ARE electronic voting machines. the only difference is with DREs the voter touches a screen, and with opscans, the user inserts a card. what happens after that, it's exactly the same.

it was about a month ago he said that he trusts the optical scan machines, when he was making the rounds on the radio circuit, talking about the 10-point plan for America. He commented that everywhere he goes, the most common question he is asked is about the voting machines. Amazingly, nothing about this is in the Plan for America (sorry, whatever it's called), and he went on to say that the optical scan machines are trustworthy.

I don't doubt that he will eventually wake up to this issue, but it is disappointing to see him ignoring it thus far, and even making inaccurate remarks about it to the public. Especially considering that he admits many people are asking him about it.

you'd think he would have someone on his staff, who subscribes to the VotersUnite or VoteTrustUSA newsletter and would really be UP on the subject and would let him know exactly what is going on whenever he asks.

personally I think this shows a lack of concern. but I do recognize he could help resolve the issue from his position so I hope things change.

I've been disappointed in Dean as well when it comes to this issue.

There's a huge push to keep the public confused on the already confusing issue. Many Dems claim to be terrified that the issue will keep voters from the polls, maybe Dean bought into that.

Who really knows what the hell is going on? Personally, I think anyone who would say we can't talk about fixing a corrupt system--a system which is completely unverifiable, and non-transparent-- because of somewhat defeatist and patronizing concerns about getting voters to the polls, are themselves contributing to a mindset of corruption. Their views on Democracy itself are corrupted.

Instead of running around DU full-time mocking and finger-wagging DUers for their concerns on this matter, it would be nice to see the re-energized (since the JFK Jr. article) team of Fraud/theft challengers stick to the issue of getting verified and transparent elections, if that is indeed what they believe, and if that is indeed why they are here. You don't have to believe in a stolen election to work for a clearer voting system of paper ballots and hand counts.

Some who want yet more, or as some might say "real" proof of theft (from machines that contain proprietary information, legally closed off from scrutiny! :crazy: ) are even less able to prove the viability and trustworthiness of machine voting. and I'm not seeing so much proof presented that it's actually a safe system, or even concerns about the system, as I'm seeing attempts to crush the subject altogether and demoralize individuals who are concerned about fraud, while at the same time congratulating and applauding others who are also partaking in the mockery and condescension.

Again, the previous run-on sentence is in regard to the newly-and-once-again re-energized bank of folks who would prefer to crush discussion of an important and complex matter by intimidation and insult rather than work together in areas of agreement.

If only our elections were as transparent as some of the "arguments" floating here and there around DU these days, that would be swell.

don't have to believe in a stolen election to work for a clearer voting system


there is unverified secret vote counting. no one can argue that. the statement is bullet proof. that's all that matters.

state and have had no issues with fraud. kerry won here.

you need to read up on the issue. the optical scan machines are wide open to rigging. this was proven by the Hursti Hack and verified by an independent testing agency.

Just because Kerry won in a state with optical scan machines does not mean anything at all. You have no idea if votes were trimmed for the popular vote. In fact there is a correlation between exit poll discrepancies and optical scan machine use. But the bottom line is, the machines can be rigged and they are not secure. The manufacturers can PRE-SELECT the election results before the election even takes place and there is no way to detect this.

If you think the optical scan machines are safe and trustworthy you are clearly mistaken.

See below:

The Harri Hursti hack and its importance to our Nation
http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=798&Itemid=51

University report confirms election results can be rigged without a trace of evidence
http://www.solarbus.org/election/docs/security_analysis_of_diebold.pdf

And don't forget, just last week we had two instances in Iowa where a hand count revealed that the optical scan machines chose the wrong winner in an election.

OPSCANS ARE BAD.

BUT at least we have a paper trail with OS that can be verified if need be. I will read up on the links you posted though, thanks.

However, you pointed out the reason they ultimately work IMHO:

And don't forget, just last week we had two instances in Iowa where a hand count revealed that the optical scan machines chose the wrong winner in an election.

I have no doubt the machines can be rigged, and or may even be flawed, but at least we have recourse.

for every time that a hand count has exposed an error, there are thousands of elections that go unverified. and as well many times people WANT a recount and never get one. Look at what's happening in CA-50 as we speak.

we can't rely on recounts for fair elections. we must get past the myth that opscans are significantly better than DREs.

open source code and mandated statistically significant random audits are the only way to make electronic voting approach transparency. that applies to DREs and opscans equally.

Yet he cautioned that it isn’t just technical problems that Democrats have to be wary of, but old hat tactics that hope to intimidate voters at the polls...

Governor Dean closed his remarks by saying, “This is a really huge issue, because it’s not about the future of the Democratic Party, but the future of a Democracy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x435488

I am not saying he is doing enough - I want a DNC document distributed NATIONALLY that explains how the GOP has cheated, how the machines are crap - and what local election activists can do about it NOW! Nonetheless, Dean has a clue...

SOS Blackwell chairing the Beast/Cheney 2004 campaign was just the warm up to test his nefarious methods.

and start working on what we can do.Now. Otherwise we become just as complacent as our some of our elected leaders who do nothing, the same ones we complain about. Its not up to them to fix things, its up to the people. Remember congress and the senate were created to be the voice of the people, so lets start by telling them we have a major problem with this obvious flaw in the system.

We need leadership on the national level. Why aren't any high ranking democrats raising the roof over this issue? Someone needs to lead first before we can follow. WE NEED OUR MARCHING ORDERS!!!

Is any high profile Democrat like Dean or Kerry raise hell nationally or on Youtube or somewhere to get the ball rolling? Who is going to take the lead? What the hell are they waiting for! What's the plan???

So, "Don't fight, you're BOTH pretty!" :-)

It is important that we continue to contact our representatives--that's what they're supposedly there for. And it's also frustrating that more of them are not moving ahead to do the right thing, or even to ask some questions.