Hey...WE decide who's President!

OK, First Post. Nice to meet you.

I'm a long time lurker. I got shut out of the forums on E-Day (or should we call it F-Day?), due to my stupid assumption that I could register before MIDNIGHT Nov. 2 on the West Coast. Well, I was a couple of hours late. I've made my penance and paid my donation.

Anyway, like many of you, I've barely been able to keep away from the forums since that disastrous day. When I saw Florida and the others drop one by one late into the night, my first instantaneous angry thought was, "How could the people in this country be such idiots?" In four years, the Bush Administration has done everything possible to go against the welfare of average citizen.

When Bush* was given the choice:

- of a government open to the people, he chose to operate OUR executive branch under a veil of secrecy.

- of reaching across the aisle in bipartisanship, he chose to run OUR government by mandate that he never had.

- of bettering OUR environment, he chose corporate and energy interests above all.

- of fiscal responsibility, he chose to decimate OUR surplus, most of which did not go the average citizen.

- of protecting OUR homeland, he chose to ignore the warnings. And look where we are today.

I could go on and on.... Without fail, when given the choice to take the high road and do what's best for "We The People," time after time he chose the other direction.

Is it just me, or are most Americans just not concerned about educating our children, keeping our country from going bankrupt, making sure that everyone has a job and health insurance, and making sure that we play nice with others in the world? I remember two weeks ago, somebody addressed all of those things and said "I have a plan...We can do better."

All I ever heard from Bush* was "Vote for me, and you know what to expect. Vote for the other guy and the terrorists will get you." The former SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME far more than the latter. It's sad to think that the other half of the population lives and votes by fear.


My second thought, not long after my first instantaneous angry thought on election night, was less shocking to me...that this election was stolen. I don't know how, but somehow, some way, the election numbers did a 180 in those critical states. There are too many indicators of "election malfunction" for me to think that there wasn't some hanky panky going on. Perhaps the recounts and audits will reveal all. Time will tell.

To me, it's a horrible thought to even think that our great country, the birthplace and cornerstone of modern democracy, could be the victim of possibly the most un-democratic, un-Patriotic, un-American trick played in our history. It simply goes against all that we (regardless of party affiliation) stand for. Without election integrity, we are just another corrupt banana republic.

Which brings me to my dilemma. If the election returns hold true, then sadly, my first instantaneous angry thought is realized (election by majority of the duped). If the election was stolen, we are in far more serious shape as a country and better right the ship damn quick.

Which will it be? Keep cracking at the data, get the recounts and audits, and don't let the media take your eye off the ball. Many thanks to everyone who contributes to these forums. You've been great support and inspiration to those of us that lurk but don't always post.

Welcome to DU.....:hi:

looks like you will be a big CONTRIBUTOR!!! :hi:

caduceus111 :toast:

For some of us, this has become a habitual source of comfort, focused "fight-back" discussions, and mental sanity, given DU inception after the 2000 debacle.

Glad to have you here!

So, given your screen name, are you a physician/in med school?

hlthe2b,

Yes and yes. I'm a physician. Not a student in med school but I teach at one.

You know your Greek mythology :)

from the medical community. There are way too few physicians and many, many nurses.

There are more liberal physicians out there than most people think. Most of us have a deep concern for the welfare of our patients, proper access to health care, and the desire to not be controlled by insurance and pharmaceutical companies in the way we practice medicine.

The mainstream press usually only covers what the AMA and the physican lobby groups have to say.

I agree with you with all sincerity

Great to have you on board! :hi:

Professor 2

you are now a soldier in the battle for truth.

It's rough out there and when I get down I just go to:

http://www.invisibleida.com/ and check out the clear analysis of the 'New Hampshire data ' and know that my new hero, Ralph Nader, has a recount for selected counties in NH going forward.

So days we go forward, some day the MSM smacks us down.

How did you get to start a thread with only one post?

See the star? :)

The star next to your name gives you great powers. I recommend it. ^_^

I'm waiting for the next fund-drive to donate. (Yeah, I could donate now, but I like knowing that my money is going toward a goal.)

i too have have been a DU addict and lurker since before the election...

if it was stolen and we don't overturn it, our responsibility is even greater. we will have a true revolution to fight. not with swords or whatever, but with whatever tools of democracy we can pick up. i'm so sick of the MSM polls saying that people just want this to be over. MSM says, "go back to sleep, everything is under control."

i've been pulling out my old political theory/history notes from college and it seems to me that this is exactly the kind of thing our founders tried so hard to prevent. see the Federalist Papers. Read Mill and Hobbes -- even Machiavelli argued the point from the standpoint of power.

the fulcrum of our democracy is the vote, this is the most powerful tool we have. we have to make noise. we have to crunch numbers.we have to be heard. we can't let this moment pass.

what really angers me is that stealing the vote has had the effect of stealing our identity. we aren't the amerikkka they say we are. they can take the election, but they can't have our soul and that's what they've reached for using the LIE of the Majority:

Like other tyrannies, the tyranny of the majority was at first, and is still vulgarly, held in dread, chiefly as operating through the acts of the public authorities. But reflecting persons perceived that when society is itself the tyrant — society collectively over the separate individuals who compose it — its means of tyrannizing are not restricted to the acts which it may do by the hands of its political functionaries. Society can and does execute its own mandates; and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with which it ought not to meddle, it practices a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself.Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough; there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling, against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development and, if possible, prevent the formation of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own. There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence; and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs as protection against political despotism. — On Liberty, The Library of Liberal Arts edition, p.7.

Sums it up well when you look at today's situation. Thanks for that.

Welcome to DU!! :toast: