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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:54 AM
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Let's List the Many Excuses They Have Given for the Exit Polls

This first one I remember hearing was on the Newshour last Weds or Thurs - the "expert" said that the polls were skewed because Kerry voters were more enthusiastic and so more likely to participate in the poll.

Since then I have heard many excuses. I think it's useful to keep track of them, because I'm sure some of these "coincidence theories" will be mutually exclusive.

What excuses have you heard?

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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:59 AM
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1. Thats about it.
Although I still don't understand how they can use that excuse, but then in the same sentence use the same poll to say that Bush won because of moral values. Who's values, the Democrats?:eyes:
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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:59 AM
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2. ashamed to admit voting for bush
which i think is understandable.
what would be useful to know with these exit polls is if they recorded how many people refused to take part in them.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:02 AM
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3. exit-poll-takers were not close enough to the exit-door.
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 09:05 AM by Paradise
kerry voters voted earlier and bush voters voted later.

with my own ears...
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GuardingVirginia Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:05 AM
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4. oh...you looked at the early ones
oh...you saw the early polls and those aren't normally release to the public.




I was dismissed for that reason. I report with MSM said no one normally sees the early poll results. Not sure if that is true.


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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:08 AM
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5. They also said they lied.
I remember seeing Ron Silver, who apparently has become an internationally revered statesman instead of just a Hollywood hack actor, saying people ALWAYS lie about who they voted for and why.
Guess that means they also lied about "values" too.

Ironic, no?
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:19 AM
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7. the spin i've heard
1. Kerry voters as a whole were oversampled
A. Women voters were oversampled (and tend to go for Kerry)
B. Time of day:
a. Republicans vote early in the day
b. Republicans vote late in the day
2. Exit polls are unreliable
3. Vast Left Wing Conspiracy to alter the exit poll numbers
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:36 AM
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8. Don't forget -- "Republicans were told to lie to pollsters!!"
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aprillcm Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:19 AM
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6. :(
First Silverman is a (I say very quietly) actor, Why the media gives him legitimacy is beyond me when all other actors are poo poo'd off, and in some cases blamed for the downfall of my party.

Early Exit Polls sounds real good till you realize that the Exit polls CNN posted(then rushed around changing to fit the outcome) Weren't early and while they had the race closer than some of the others Kerry was winning. CNN did not release exit poll numbers till after the polls closed in each state. This is where I was looking Election night and crunching numbers. At 12:00 am silly me while we were waiting for them to call states based on the exit polls and number crunching I was doing, I thought soons they got done counting Kerry would win. Ohio and Florida were not my worries based on these exit polls. Nevada NM Colorado and one other I can not remember now were all super close. But Ohio and Florida seemed comfortably Kerry.

And please remember the press spent the whole next day explaining the exit polls were wrong because the youth vote did not turn out, then the following day they had to retract that statement oppps turns out a good portion of it did. So then they moved on to Moral Values as the reason it seems they are as much in the dark about the reasons for the Exit Polls being wrong as we are the difference is they refuse to admit the possibility that the exit polls were not wrong.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:38 AM
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9. KICK! nt
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:40 AM
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10. Reasons for exit poll vs actual vote discrepancy
Sampling error
1. Kerry voters were oversampled
a. Women voters were oversampled
b Single women were over sampled

B. Time of day:
a. Republicans vote early in the day
b. Republicans vote late in the day

2. Exit polls were unreliable in 2000 (they don't mention that it was in Florida)2002, and 2004

3. Vast Left Wing Conspiracy to alter the exit poll numbers so that Republicans in western states wouldn't bother to vote.

4. The exit polls were wrong because the actual vote shows they were wrong, period.

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:42 AM
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11. Repukes voted from home (absentee), Dems voted at the polls! nt
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:19 PM
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12. kick! nt
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:40 PM
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13. Up until elections went electronic (2000?),
Were the exit polls ever wrong enough to put the media in it's current state of lockjaw?

Are there records that show the official election results compared to the exit polls in past elections prior to and the elections involving electronic voting machines?

In exit polls, do they ask about the State and local levels when they are asking about the National level? If so and the State and local exit polls match the official count, then why wouldn't the exit polls on the National level match the exit polls?
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:20 PM
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14. exit polls - I thought that was funny all along...
Massive Bush turnout from both republicans and democrats wanting to keep him in office, yet they're not the ones enthusiastic about it? Exit polls are accurate precisely because of this.
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:02 PM
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15. Steal votes. Discredit exit polls. Eliminate exit polls. Steal more votes.
I today posted a long, fact-based analysis of this question: Steal votes. Discredit exit polls. Eliminate exit polls. Steal more votes. I believe the media has fallen for a long-term Republican strategy we've been blind to. (Also, I believe the media is afraid to report on this.)
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:56 PM
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16. They said there were too many questions
so people in a hurry, or with kids bugging them, etc. wouldn't have stopped to answer...

so who do they assume these people were?
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