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Columbus Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:22 PM
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Lawsuit Stops Destruction Of Ohio 2004 Ballots
Cliff Arnebeck of Ohio Honest Elections Campaign is the lawyer in this case.

From
http://www.OhioHonestElections.org


Wednesday, August 30, 2006

" With paper ballots from the 2004 presidential election in Ohio scheduled to be destroyed next week, the secretary of state in Columbus, under pressure from critics, said yesterday that he would move to delay the destruction at least for several months. Since the election, questions have been raised about how votes were tallied in Ohio, a battleground state that helped deliver the election to President Bush over Senator John Kerry. The critics, including an independent candidate for governor and a team of statisticians and lawyers, say preliminary results from their ballot inspections show signs of more widespread irregularities than previously known. The critics say the ballots should be saved pending an investigation. They also say the secretary of state’s proposal to delay the destruction does not go far enough, and they intend to sue to preserve the ballots."

“This is not about Mr. Kerry or Mr. Bush or who should be president,’’ said Bill Goodman, legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a New York group that is part of the lawsuit. “This is about figuring out what is not working in our election system and ensuring that every cast vote counts. “There is a gap between the numbers provided in the local level records, which until recently no one has been allowed to see, and the official final tallies that were publicly released after this election, and we want to figure out why that gap is there.”

"Mr. Blackwell, a Republican who is running for governor, and the threatened suit could draw attention to possible irregularities in the election that he supervised. The suit would follow what researchers call the first time anyone other than county and state officials in Ohio have been given such extensive access to the main material from the previous presidential election. After eight months inspecting 35,000 ballots from 75 rural and urban precincts, the critics say that they have found many with signs of tampering and that in some precincts the number of voters differs significantly from the certified results."

"Last week, lawyers sent a legal notice to Mr. Blackwell notifying him that suit was pending and asking him to issue an administrative order directing the 88 county election boards to retain the 2004 records. “The decision of who decides whether the records will be preserved is quite simply not the secretary’s to make,” said Robert A. Destro, a lawyer for the secretary of state’s office. Mr. Destro said preservation decisions belonged to the county public records commissions, the county boards of elections and the Ohio Historical Society. “But by issuing this order,’’ Mr. Destro added, “the secretary of state will prevent any records from being destroyed for at least several months while this matter is studied more closely.”

"Steven Rosenfeld, a freelance reporter formerly with National Public Radio, said the investigative team analyzed three types of sources. They are poll books used by officials to record the names of voters casting ballots, signature books signed by voters and used to verify that signatures match registration records, and optical scan and punch card ballots, used by 85 percent of the voters in the state. The rest used touch screen machines. “We’re not claiming that what we found reveals a huge conspiracy,” Mr. Rosenfeld said. “What we’re claiming is that what we found at least reveals extremely shoddy handling of ballots, and there are some initial indications of local-level ballot stuffing.”

"In Miami County, Mr. Rosenfeld said, the team found discrepancies of 5 percent or more in some precincts between the people in the signature books and the certified results. In 10 southwestern counties, he said, the team found thousands of punch card ballots that lacked codes identifying the precinct where the ballot was cast. The codes are typically necessary for the machines processing the ballots to “know’’ to record which candidate receives the votes."
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:25 PM
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1. no f-n way! that's the best news i've heard all day.
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Columbus Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:28 PM
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2. apologies
I posted this then noticed there was another post a few moments earlier on the same topic. I'll try to delete it. In either case it is good news.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:29 PM
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9. Nothing wrong with multiple threads about important news.
Thanks for posting.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:29 PM
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3. The ACLU needs to jump on this and sue to get them recounted
thus exposing the fraud that is ruining this democracy. Send them a donation now! They are our last hope with the democratic powers that be scared to lift a finger for this country.

Donate or better yet JOIN!
http://action.aclu.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FJ_donationhome
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:33 PM
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4. Miss Waverly kicks it to the Greatest Page
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 08:36 PM by MissWaverly
after a fumble, the Dems have recovered the truth and are heading down the field. Just sent
20 bucks their way.

:-)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:48 PM
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5. way to go Cliff!
NGU
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:01 PM
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6. good for them.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:08 PM
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7. The bastards have had 2 years now to disclose them!
WTG Cliff!

-Hoot
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:20 PM
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8. You realize what this was
practically an obscure public notice before one of the major holidays of the year and this
only had rural ballots not metro; and there was still proof of tampering, they
thought this would be ignored and the ballots safely destroyed next week.

Hoot, they're dodgy customers, all right!

:-)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:42 PM
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10. NO I didn't
I only realized that these public records were to be destroyed without having ever been disclosed.

Dodgy WANKERS!

-Hoot
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:47 PM
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11. well, let's hope they can keep them from being destroyed
I signed your petition, I would keep posting here at DU, to get more people to sign,
don't give up. Remember, how they laughed at us before and every day, more people
believe what we tin hats knew all along. 9-11 = MIHOP, 2000 Bush/Cheney = rigged,
2004 Bush/Cheney = rigged, WMD's in Iraq = lie.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:17 AM
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16. Thanks.
All sigs appreciated. I'm near Frederick, we should go have some drinks sometime.

-Hoot
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:49 PM
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18. Hey, maybe lunch at the Cafe Hon
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 03:51 PM by MissWaverly
we can trade Andy stories, let me know when you are out this way again. Did you know that
the League of Women Voters had to agree not to contest the 2004 election in Ohio before the
State of Ohio would let them see the results. What a joke!

:-)
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 10:39 PM
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12. K&R
Bigtime!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:39 AM
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13. Save the evidence...I mean the ballots. Yeah! What great news.
Woo Hoo! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:51 AM
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14. Big Kick and R nt
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Columbus Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:21 AM
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15. Cliff Arnebeck letter to Blackwell
I posted Cliff Arnebeck's letter to Blackwell in another thread. It is an update on
http://www.OhioHonestElections.org

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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:34 PM
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17. Yessirree... another 'recommend'.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 08:31 PM
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19. kick
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 08:32 AM
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20. The smoking gun that is still smoking two years later
It now seems very plausible that many of them so called elected officials were not really elected but more or less were just appointed (in a real sense)just to squelch things like this

Autorank/Scoop: The People’s House is now the Speaker’s House (XPOST)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x447732


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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:40 AM
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21. Arnebeck probably ruined Labor Day Weekend...
...for a few folks.

:D
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