Consensual Reality

Without this forum I would feel I have gone crazy. To me it seem so obvious that bushco stole the election, as I think it seems to most here. I was contemplating all this when I realized that consensual reality might be at the heart things.

Most liberal people look to a wider group of people as their clan. They don't require knowing them personally to include them and value their opinion. They use feedback and dialog with all of them to form their consensual reality. Conservatives, on the other hand, usually deal with small communities. They like to know all of their clan. There is nothing wrong with this as such, just a different mind set that probably makes some prefer rural and others cities.

So if you were a power hungry person, and wanted to control things what would you do. The city people would not be easily persuaded, they take lots of opinions to contemplate, but with the rural people if you could get one or two in each community then you have an in. So you go after the churches and business owners. You wouldn't care about small businesses, you need some that have a good number of employees. The churches have a political structure, so all you have to do is get the heads of them. And then you turn up the volume of us vs them. They think liberals are satan, we want to force our ways on them, to make them be godless. Basically, they think of us the same things Al Quaida does of the US.

This is their reality, and anyone that moves in that sphere of influence will pick it up or move away. This is what we have to get through. Show them who we really are, what we really believe, that we have been standing up for their freedoms.

So when they want to do stuff like post the 10 commandments in a courthouse, opposing them is the wrong tactic, we should say okay but in a side room and while you are at it post these other religious stuff too. We HAVE to have liberal leaders in their churches preaching what we consider real values. We won't win this if we fight them head on, and it is not the people that is the problem - they are doing as they have been programmed.

Our Founding Fathers did the hard work to keep Religion and Government separate. (Notice it was Religion not especially Church). The rights of the one, out way the wishes of the majority.

By stating that they may have their religious symbols as long as we can post those which are from other faiths, in government buildings, is not standing up for the values which our Founding Fathers fought so hard for.

We must never surrender our values and beliefs in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution of the United States.

Here are just a few of the many statements by these great men on this subject:

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"...the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." --from the Treaty of Tripoli, which was unanimously passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797.
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"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes." Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
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"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and engrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man." --Thomas Jefferson
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"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
--Thomas Jefferson

A complete shutout reinforces what they think of us. I totally agree the government should not be reinforcing any religion. But issues like this are planned to make us look bad, we look like we are against religion and not the separation. This is just one example of how they use issues to paint a bad picture of us. My point is to find a way not to reinforce their programming, accommodate without compromise.