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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:45 PM
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More North Carolina info!
I have some info to add to supplement ignatzmouse' exceptional DU study of North Carolina. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=45003&mesg_id=45003&page=

North Carolina is where 4,500 votes were lost in Carteret County--the votes are gone for good, never to be tabulated. They may need to hold another election.
http://newsobserver.com/news/nc/ncwire_news/story/1796348p-8095674c.html
http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=27168&Section=News

Both Diebold and ES&S (both suspicious) are in various North Carolina counties. But Carteret County uses neither of them--instead, it uses Unilect Corporation (of California).

Unilect was founded in 1989 by Jack Gerbel, its' current President. His career in elections began as a founder of Computer Election Systems. This company was charged with fixing elections in 1984.

In 1984, a court did allow plaintiffs in a disputed election to examine the source code. That year, when Ronald Reagan was re-elected president, lawsuits in Florida, Indiana and West Virginia charged fraud and vote manipulation in local races. Fingers pointed to the company that made the machines used in the election -- Votomatic punch-card machines, made by Computer Election Systems, or CES, of Berkeley, California, which used computer software to tally the votes. Experts said the company designed the machines and software so that vote totals could easily be altered without leaving a trace.
 
Losing candidates in one race charged that when the computer acted up on election night, a CES employee inserted control cards into the machine. The plaintiffs sued to retrieve the source code, and the court, for once, consented. When computer experts examined the software, they determined that CES had changed the computer's instructions for tallying votes on election night. But because the program lacked adequate auditing mechanisms to track the nature of those changes, no one could determine if the company had rigged the election. The plaintiffs lost the case because the court ruled that their claims were mere conjecture.

http://www.rense.com/general59/dontcountonrecounts.htm

Here's more:

During the summer and fall of 1985, New York Times reporter David Burnham wrote a series of lengthy articles contending that Votomatic punch-card machines, at the time made and distributed by Computer Election Systems of Berkeley, were vulnerable to tampering. These articles spawned a federal inquiry and an August 1988 report concluding that standards and controls for computer vote-tallying were worse than those employed in other computing sectors, that hanging-chad-prone technology made verifying voting results difficult, that the lack of computer controls facilitated "undiscoverable frauds," and that poll workers were ill-equipped to run the machines.

The report called for stiffened federal standards on poll technology. In November 1988, The New Yorker published a 21,000-word exposé of Votomatic's deficiencies, focusing on a battle between plaintiffs in voter-fraud lawsuits and Computer Election Systems executives about the necessity of keeping the company's vote-counting software secret. Reformers, including computer scientists interviewed by New Yorker writer Ronnie Dugger, said it was necessary to examine the code to expose and correct security deficiencies. CES executives scoffed at the potential for fraud, said the software was a trade secret, and prevailed in keeping the code hidden.
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2003-09-24/news/smith.html

And here's a link to court testimony in Cincinnati regarding CES's software.
http://www.votefraud.org/Archive/Write/expert.htm

I have not yet been able to find when Jack Gerbel left CES. I don't know if he was with the company when these allegations about them were made. After leaving CES, Jack Gerbel moved on to VP for Business Records Corporation--which later became ES&S! http://www.fec.gov/pages/vendors.htm

Also, see this:

ES&S, the largest voting machine company in America, claims to have counted 56% of the vote in the last four presidential elections. Again, it's owned by the ultra-conservative Omaha World-Herald Company, the McCarthy Group, and former owners of Business Records Corporation. ES&S was created from a merger between American Information Systems (AIS) and Business Records Corporation. Bob and Todd Urosevich founded AIS in the 1980's. Bob is now president of Diebold-Global, while brother Todd is a vice president at ES&S. Business Records Corp. was partially owned by Cronus, a company that seems to have a lot of connections to the notorious Hunt brothers from Texas, as well as other individuals and entities, including  Rothschild, Inc.. Right wing Republicans Howard Ahmanson (who financed AIS) and Nelson Bunker Hunt have both heavily contributed to The Chalcedon Institute, an organization that mandates Christian "dominion" over the world. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Landes_Ambush.htm

And then there is this prescient article from 1989 regarding fixing elections:

But who on Earth would do such a thing? In Chicago in 1982, 58 Democratic party bosses were convicted of fraud after they were caught stuffing not the ballot box, but the computer. They had punched out fraudulent cards for falsely registered and nonexistent voters, then run them through the card-reader.

There have been numerous other ambiguous cases. Many of them have involved Berkeley's Computer Election Service (CES)-which recently changed its name to Business Records Corporation Election Service. The company is the dominant force In the American election industry; an estimated 33 to 40 percent of all American votes are cast on and counted by CES systems. CES uses aversion of the punch-card voting system prevalent in California.

In 1985, the National Security Agency (NSA)-the government's most expansive and most secretive intelligence service-took an interest in CES. According to the New York Times, NSA was following a directive from then-President Reagan to improve the security of major non-military computer systems. 

Government officials were queasy at the prospect of a top-secret military spy agency-particularly NSA, whose domain is high-tech intelligence gathering-delving into the nation's electoral process. According to the Times, an official of the government's General Accounting Office told a Senate committee that NSA's involvement with CES "raises basic questions concerning the extent to which the defense establishment should be involved in policy formulation within the government's civilian agencies."


The voting machine business seems to have been dominated by a handful of people for several decades, with strong ties to hard right wingers, fundamentalists, and the republican party.

And now the lost 4500 North Carolina votes come from the seemingly innocent sounding Unilect Corporation--but headed by a guy who's been in the middle of this stuff for decades.

Is this part of a vast rightwing conspiracy? How ironic it would be if the Internets invented by Al Gore helped expose this stuff.

BTW, somebody needs to wake up ignatzmouse and have him continue his North Carolina study on a county level. North Carolina uses several different kinds of voting machines, and we need to see if all counties have this deviation from the absentee voting, or it varies depending on which voting machine is used.

Here's a link for the voting equipment used in each county.
http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?topic_string=5std&state=north%20carolina
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:12 PM
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1. Didn't Want To Post This Yet...
But some acquaintances of mine have put together some funny data looking at who made those OpScan machines in the so-called "Dixiecrat" counties in Florida vs. voting irregularities. I don't have all the facts yet, but will be working on it this weekend. Let's just say, the results I have so far are...odd...

I will post more about this when I can. (Right now I'm in the middle of a very heavy semester as well as this election mess and am working 16 hours a day trying to get my own work done as well as look at this voting irregularity stuff.)

I think that a DUer who is a real statistician (which I am not, sadly) with time on their hands needs to start taking a good hard look at OpScan machine data from several states, including the NH precincts that Nader wants to recount and the Florida counties in question, and run it through some analyses sorting by manufacturer.

BTW, I posted this in another thread, but I think it got buried: I took a good look at that MIT voting study that all the right-wingers are citing as proof of the "tinfoil hatters" theory. In their assignment of paper vs. electronic states, the authors mention that they assigned states using OpScan machines to the PAPER category. If the election irregularities are due to OpScan machines primarily, this would seriously confound the results of their data. Because of this, somebody should take another hard look at their data and rerun this study comparing OpScan states (and possibly counties) with lever voting, Etouch and other counties vs. exit poll data.

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:15 PM
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3. Thanks, Distantearlywarning! Keep us posted on what you find!
The evidence keeps mounting by the hour.

:kick::kick::kick:
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:19 PM
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4. Thanks so much for the info and hard work with such a busy
schedule. If you want me to post this separately, I will for you so it won't get lost. Newbies caan't post.

Welcome to DU!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:19 PM
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5. Hi distantearlywarning!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:09 PM
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6. EXCELLENT point re Optical Scan being called "paper" -- also
Aren't the panhandle machines Diebold or ES&S? Further, have you seen this thread? Some of what you may be working on may already be known -- see HISTORICAL for a link to the Ownership ties of the voting machine companies by Lynn Landes.

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

Our own IdaBriggs did an analysis and was hugely responsible for getting Nader to ask for a recount:

BACKGROUND:
DU INFO ALERT: Why Recounting in New Hampshire Could Save Democracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2617155

Need Some DU Help w/New Hampshire Stuff!!! (URGENT)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=26802&mesg_id=26802

RALPH NADER MAY SAVE THE WORLD!!! (Its NOT Over in NH!) Updated Fri 8:15p
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x25116

Nader requests NH vote recount. (Did we just make a huge blunder?)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=965216

Nader, Cobb and Badnarik may all be willing to look into recounts in Ohio
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x26843


And don't miss this humdinger of an analysis on NC election results:

Unofficial Audit of NC Election: Comprehensive Case for Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x45003

Also see the Ohio section for a LOT of info.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:31 AM
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11. Kick! WElcome to DU
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:12 AM
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16. I've been looking closely at North FL too
Give me some clue what you are looking for and I can take a look at it?

Duval and Alachua County numbers don't make sense to me. There is no way that Kerry didn't draw a significant increase compared to Bush in DEM voters in those two counties.

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:13 PM
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2. Great information, Milkyway!! I'm in NC, and I KNOW the machines
were tampered with.

Through all of the research DUers did on the Black Box Voting threads with Bev Harris, it is MORE THAN APPARENT that the voting machine companies are ABSOLUTELY GUILTY of manipulating votes. The articles you link here show what many of us have suspected for a very long time: the neocons have been doing this starting (at least) with the Reagan elections...and it has only gotten worse, and more insidious with every election.

The neocons should NEVER have been allowed to take a foothold in this country!!!! They are Nazis, pure and simple, and half the people in this country have been totally DUPED!!

This HAS to stop!! NOW!!!

:kick::kick::kick:

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:13 AM
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18. NC Counties with Irregular Absentee-Final poll swings
BUNCOMBE,,"George W. B,20548, 47%
BUNCOMBE,,"John F. Kerry 22256, 53%
6.6% swing
"BUNCOMBE","George W. Bu 51686, 50.3%
"BUNCOMBE","John F. Kerry / ,50903, 49.7%


CHATHAM,,"George W. B,5015, 44%
CHATHAM,,"John F. Kerry 6099, 56%
11.6% swing
"CHATHAM","George W. Bus 12712, 50.2%
"CHATHAM","John F. Kerry / ,12679, 49.8%


CLEVELAND,,"George W. B, 4035, 56%
CLEVELAND,,"John F. Kerry 3239, 44%
12% swing
"CLEVELAND","George W. Bu",,22509, 62%
"CLEVELAND","John F. Kerry / ,14035, 38%


DUPLIN,,"John F. Kerry 2099, 44.4%
DUPLIN,,"George W. B, 2633, 55.6%
6.8% swing
"DUPLIN","John F. Kerry / ,6780, 41%
"DUPLIN","George W. Bu ,,9468, 59%


HENDERSON,,"John F. Kerry 4293, 37%
HENDERSON,,"George W. B, 7302, 63%
6% swing
"HENDERSON","George W. Bu,,27390, 66%
"HENDERSON","John F. Kerry / ,14608, 34%


JACKSON,,"George W. B, 2282, 48% Opti scan
JACKSON,,"John F. Kerry 2516, 52%
8% swing
"JACKSON",,"George W. Bus,7291, 52%
"JACKSON",,"John F. Kerry / ,6704, 48%



MACON,,"George W. B,3757, 61%
MACON,,"John F. Kerry 2344, 39%
4% swing
"MACON","John F. Kerry / ,5461, 37% Electronic
"MACON","George W. Bus 9400, 63%


MCDOWELL,,"John F. Kerry 2039, 36%
MCDOWELL,,"George W. B,3664, 64%
4% swing
"MCDOWELL","John F. Kerry 5274, 34%
"MCDOWELL","George W. Bu 10484, 66%




MITCHELL,,"George W. B,1759, 66%
MITCHELL,,"John F. Kerry 923, 34%
14% swing
"MITCHELL","George W. Bu ,5618, 73%
"MITCHELL","John F. Kerry / ,2054, 27%


MOORE,,"George W. B,7657, 63%
MOORE,,"John F. Kerry 4569, 37%
4%swing
"MOORE","George W. Bu ,24420, 65%
"MOORE","John F. Kerry / ,13360, 35%



ONSLOW,,"George W. B, 5690, 67%
ONSLOW,,"John F. Kerry 2811, 33%
6% swing
"ONSLOW","George W. Bus 25352, 70%
"ONSLOW","John F. Kerr ,10996, 30%



ORANGE,,"George W. B, 8549 25%
ORANGE,,"John F. Kerry 24482, 75%
16%swing
"ORANGE","George W. Bu ,,20673, 33%
"ORANGE","John F. Kerry / ,42683, 67%



PASQUOTANK,,"George W. B, 3477, 53%
PASQUOTANK,,"John F. Kerry 3067, 47%
10% swing
"PASQUOTANK","George W. Bus ,6546, 48%
"PASQUOTANK","John F. Kerry / 6895, 52%



POLK,,"George W. B,1967, 54%
POLK,,"John F. Kerry 1703, 46%
7.2% swing
"POLK","George W. Bu,,5140, 57.6%
"POLK","John F. Kerry / ,3787, 42.4%


SWAIN,,"George W. B,629, 45%
SWAIN,,"John F. Kerry 777, 55%
14% swing
"SWAIN","George W. Bu 2591, 52%
"SWAIN","John F. Kerry / ,2416, 48%


TRANSYLVANIA,,"George W. B,3510, 59.3%
TRANSYLVANIA,,"John F. Kerry 2408, 40.7%
5.4% swing
"TRANSYLVANIA","George W. Bu 9172, 62%
"TRANSYLVANIA","John F. Kerry / ,5707, 38%

Union is included because of the low number of Absentee/early
"UNION","George W. Bus 42266, 71%
"UNION","John F. Kerry / ,17639, 29%

UNION,,"George W. B 2013, 72%
UNION,,"John F. Kerry 793, 28%


"WASHINGTON","George W. Bu 2465, 46%
"WASHINGTON","John F. Kerry / ,2931, 54%
24% swing Kerry favor
WASHINGTON,,"George W. B,732, 58%
WASHINGTON,,"John F. Kerry 538, 42%


WATAUGA,,"George W. B, 4858, 48%
WATAUGA,,"John F. Kerry 5325, 52%
10% swing
"WATAUGA","George W. Bu ,,12485, 53%
"WATAUGA","John F. Kerry / ,11064, 47%



WAYNE,,"George W. B,14073, 67%
WAYNE,,"John F. Kerry 6972, 33%
9% swing
"WAYNE","George W. Bu ,23826, 62.5%
"WAYNE","John F. Kerry / 14267, 37.5%




These 20 counties-- 20% of NC --went against the grain from the absentee to the final. The other 80 counties were the same ratio of absentee to final poll.

WE need to track down the hardware used in each of these twenty counties.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:36 PM
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22. That's Great, BeFree!
I was just proposing this yesterday, but didn't have the data.

Those 20 counties are ripe for further investigation.

Do you have the %swing for all counties? I think you could make a striking graph showing the outliers. I'd be glad to do it myself if I had the data.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:56 PM
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23. See NC County Absentee/Election Day by Voting Machine Here:
Check out the thread about NC Vote Fraud by ignatzmouse. Reply #131

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:08 PM
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24. Voting machine use in the 20 counties
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 01:18 PM by BeFree
Absentee are top numbers
Final poll= bottom

BUNCOMBE,,"George W. B,20548, 47%
BUNCOMBE,,"John F. Kerry 22256, 53%
6.6% swing
"BUNCOMBE","George W. Bu 51686, 50.3%
"BUNCOMBE","John F. Kerry 50903, 49.7%

Voting Technology: E-Voting: Touchscreen
Vendor: Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc.
Model: AVC Advantage


CHATHAM,,"George W. B,5015, 44%
CHATHAM,,"John F. Kerry 6099, 56%
11.6% swing
"CHATHAM","George W. Bus 12712, 50.2%
"CHATHAM","John F. Kerry / ,12679, 49.8%

Chatham County Detail:
Voting Technology: Optical Scan: Precinct-Based
Vendor: Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc.
Model: Optech 3P
Software: 3.5.2


CLEVELAND,,"George W. B, 4035, 56%
CLEVELAND,,"John F. Kerry 3239, 44%
12% swing
"CLEVELAND","George W. Bu",,22509, 62%
"CLEVELAND","John F. Kerry / ,14035, 38%

Cleveland County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Other
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: Optech 3P


DUPLIN,,"John F. Kerry 2099, 44.4%
DUPLIN,,"George W. B, 2633, 55.6%
6.8% swing
"DUPLIN","John F. Kerry / ,6780, 41%
"DUPLIN","George W. Bu ,,9468, 59%

Duplin County Detail:
Voting Technology: Punch Card
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: PBCIIID
Software: BRC


HENDERSON,,"John F. Kerry 4293, 37%
HENDERSON,,"George W. B, 7302, 63%
6% swing
"HENDERSON","George W. Bu,,27390, 66%
"HENDERSON","John F. Kerry / ,14608, 34%

Henderson County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Other
Vendor: Danaher Controls (Danaher Guardian)
Model: 1242


JACKSON,,"George W. B, 2282, 48% Opti scan
JACKSON,,"John F. Kerry 2516, 52%
8% swing
"JACKSON",,"George W. Bus,7291, 52%
"JACKSON",,"John F. Kerry / ,6704, 48%

Jackson County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Touchscreen
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: iVotronic
Software: 6.3.2.11
Firmware: 6.2.03


MACON,,"George W. B,3757, 61%
MACON,,"John F. Kerry 2344, 39%
4% swing
"MACON","John F. Kerry / ,5461, 37% Electronic
"MACON","George W. Bus 9400, 63%

Macon County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Other
Vendor: Danaher Controls (Danaher Guardian)
Model: 1242
Software: T4


"MCDOWELL","John F. Kerry / ,5274, 34%
"MCDOWELL","George W. Bu 10484, 66%
4% swing
MCDOWELL,,"John F. Kerry 2039, 36%
MCDOWELL,,"George W. B,3664, 64%

McDowell County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Touchscreen
Vendor: MicroVote General Corporation
Model: Infinity


MITCHELL,,"George W. B,1759, 66%
MITCHELL,,"John F. Kerry 923, 34%
14% swing
"MITCHELL","George W. Bu ,5618, 73%
"MITCHELL","John F. Kerry / ,2054, 27%

Mitchell County Detail:
Voting Technology: Optical Scan: Central Count
Vendor: Diebold Election Systems
Model: AccuVote


"MOORE","George W. Bu ,24420, 65%
"MOORE","John F. Kerry / ,13360, 35%
4%swing
MOORE,,"George W. B,7657, 63%
MOORE,,"John F. Kerry 4569, 37%

Moore County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Other
Vendor: Danaher Controls (Danaher Guardian)
Model: 1242
Software: S004H-COA-E00-E00-h01-00
Firmware: 6T


"ONSLOW","George W. Bus 25352, 70%
"ONSLOW","John F. Kerry / ,10996, 30%
6% swing
ONSLOW,,"George W. B, 5690, 67%
ONSLOW,,"John F. Kerry 2811, 33%

Onslow County Detail:
Voting Technology: Punch Card
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: PBCIIID


"ORANGE","George W. Bu ,,20673, 33%
"ORANGE","John F. Kerry / ,42683, 67%
16%swing
ORANGE,,"George W. B, 8549 25%
ORANGE,,"John F. Kerry 24482, 75%

Orange County Detail:
Voting Technology: Optical Scan: Precinct-Based
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: Optech 3PE
Software: AERO
Firmware: V.B.06


"PASQUOTANK","George W. Bus ,6546, 48%
"PASQUOTANK","John F. Kerry / 6895, 52%
10% swing
PASQUOTANK,,"George W. B, 3477, 53%
PASQUOTANK,,"John F. Kerry 3067, 47%

Pasquotank County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Touchscreen
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: Votronic Model 1
Firmware: 4.4


POLK,,"George W. B,1967, 54%
POLK,,"John F. Kerry 1703, 46%
7.2% swing
"POLK","George W. Bu,,5140, 57.6%
"POLK","John F. Kerry / ,3787, 42.4%

Polk County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Touchscreen
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: Votronic
Software: 7.1.1.1
Firmware: 5.28


SWAIN,,"George W. B,629, 45%
SWAIN,,"John F. Kerry 777, 55%
14% swing
"SWAIN","George W. Bu 2591, 52%
"SWAIN","John F. Kerry / ,2416, 48%

Swain Voting Technology: N/A


TRANSYLVANIA,,"George W. B,3510, 59.3%
TRANSYLVANIA,,"John F. Kerry 2408, 40.7%
5.4% swing
"TRANSYLVANIA","George W. Bu 9172, 62%
"TRANSYLVANIA","John F. Kerry / ,5707, 38%

Transylvania County Detail:
Voting Technology: E-Voting: Touchscreen
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: Votronic Model 1
Software: EDS
Firmware: 5.11


Union is included because of the low number of Absentee/early
"UNION","George W. Bus 42266, 71%
"UNION","John F. Kerry / ,17639, 29%

UNION,,"George W. B 2013, 72%
UNION,,"John F. Kerry 793, 28%

NA


"WASHINGTON","George W. Bu 2465, 46%
"WASHINGTON","John F. Kerry / ,2931, 54%
24% swing Kerry favor
WASHINGTON,,"George W. B,732, 58%
WASHINGTON,,"John F. Kerry 538, 42%

Washington County Detail:
Voting Technology: Optical Scan: Central Count
Vendor: Diebold Election Systems
Model: AccuVote ES 2000
Software: 79810-01
Firmware: 1.94w



"WATAUGA","George W. Bu ,,12485, 53%
"WATAUGA","John F. Kerry / ,11064, 47%
10% swing
WATAUGA,,"George W. B, 4858, 48%
WATAUGA,,"John F. Kerry 5325, 52%

Watauga County Detail:
Locale within county (if any): 13 Precincts
Voting Technology: Punch Card
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: PBC 2100


WAYNE,,"George W. B,14073, 67%
WAYNE,,"John F. Kerry 6972, 33%
9% swing
"WAYNE","George W. Bu ,23826, 62.5%
"WAYNE","John F. Kerry / 14267, 37.5%

Wayne County Detail:
Voting Technology: Optical Scan: Precinct-Based
Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: Optech 3P Eagle
Software: EMS-3.53, AERO-3.53, SPR-1.354
Firmware: APS-1.50, HPS-1.28, CPS-1.02



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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:16 PM
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7. PRIMAL SCREAM!!!
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 09:18 PM by Spiffarino
OK. I feel better now.

If they get away with this, it's going to be the end of America as we know it. The connections between the people who count the votes and the people who keep winning in "upsets" is simply to powerful to dismiss.

We . Must . Stop . This!

On edit: Sorry milkyway, but I was too pissed off to remember to tell you that...:yourock:
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:13 AM
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12. Elections need to be handled like the postal service--operated by civil
servants who don't lose their job when a new party takes power. They should be one of the permanent functions of the non-partisan government (oh no, here comes another big-government liberal!). Perhaps even manufacture the machines and have the same machines used throughout the entire country.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:33 AM
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20. One of the UN criteria for a free and fair election
...is to always have non-partisan officials oversee the vote.

Considering that Katherine Harris (Florida state Chair, Bush-Cheney 2000) and Ken Blackwell (Ohio state Chair, Bush-Cheney 2004) decided the outcome in critical electoral battleground states, we have failed this basic test miserably.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:30 PM
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8. This should not happen in a real democracy!
What a shameful example this sets for the world.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:57 PM
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9. Kick! This is excellent info for some new DU'ers who don't know the
connections with the folks from all the work Bev Harris did here in the early days. The Unilect machines are the ones used in the two NC Precincts who had the voting problems which may cause a recount in those two precincts. It was great to see your research on Unilect because most of us focus on ES&S and Diebold.

Thanks Much! Keep this kicked if it starts to slide. Lots of people here on Sundays who have time to read it...
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:26 AM
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13. Most of this is also new to me. As I post it, I think to myself that
although it's new and exciting to me, it's probably very common knowledge to Bev and other voting rights activists. I had a general idea about BBV before, but I never really looked at it in-depth.
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:02 AM
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10. Good stuff. Thank you!
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:28 AM
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14. Sat morning kick
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:52 AM
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15. milkyway, Ida, althecat, TIA and everyone
here who is working so hard to get the data together and get the word out, thank you so much. Forgive me if I don't remember everyone's name off the top of my head, because I know there are many more.

Thank you, all of you.

:dem:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:29 AM
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17. Guilford County stinks to high heaven!
I would love to see Guilford county checked. The whole county has DREs and we had that 22,000 vote 'mistake' for * !!
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neohippie Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:22 AM
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19. I live in Guilford County
First of all I am pissed that I never heard about voting problems here from any local media. I found out on this board. Second, I voted during the early voting period, which is when the "glitch" occurred, and 22,000 votes were not correctly brought over during the upload.

Is there anything that I can do here to help. I would be happy to drive downtown and visit the County elections office.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:38 AM
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21. Interesting. What's the source for the "prescient article from 1989"? nt
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:52 PM
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25. Oops, thanks for pointing this out. Here it is:
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:17 PM
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26. Wake Me, Shake Me
Great work! Very many thanks!

I just posted some county info in a response in the other thread, but it may get lost in the middle. It's applicable to part of your question, however, so I'll paste it below.

Individual counties can be all over the place because of the smaller sample size, technologies, and demographics. Wake is fairly large, though, so let's look at their numbers -- again, roughly 1/3 was cast in the early vote.

Overall Wake County, NC:

Early/Absentee
Kerry: 51,899 52.9% +6
Bush: 45,974 46.9%

Election Day Polls
Kerry: 118,010 47.3% -5.4
Bush: 131,350 52.7%

Almost a complete juxtaposition, an 11.4 percent swing!

Also, as a guide here are Wake's numbers in the Governor's race. They are nearly the same, only around a 1.5% swing.

Absentee/Early:
Easley DEM: 59,926 60%
Ballantine REP: 38,180 39%
Howe LIB: 1,139 1%

Overall:
Easley DEM: 205,535 59%
Ballantine REP: 138,650 40%
Howe LIB: 5,357 1 %

Election Day Poll:
Easley DEM: 145,609 58%
Ballantine REP: 100,470 40%
Howe LIB: 4,218 2%

How does one account for the other 10% differential between the first 1/3 and the second 2/3 of the vote while the other races are the same?
Voting technology brought to you by: ES&S Optical scan
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