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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:14 AM Original message |
Did Dubbya rig the election? |
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ms liberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. K&R n/t |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
65. SOMEONE DID: OHIO 2004: 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. Does a bear shit in the woods? |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
3. Here's all the info you need right here |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Wow. That is damning. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Well, it would be if they were true |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Not totally true, but |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. The reason I think the graphs are so bad |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Coherent to me |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Well, I suggest you download the plots |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
60. What? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. They aren't. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Here's a link for you: |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Again? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. A problem for you |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Again? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. You missed my point |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I know what your point is |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Aaaarghh!!!!! |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
76. GOOD POINTS. Best to get past simplifications to complex understandings |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. And see the paper |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
75. OHIO: Punch card voting Ohio counties equaled 72.4% of vote in 2004 |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. The only stat needed |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. also it's been poven that the recount in Ohio was rigged |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Even that isn't true |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. didn't he say something different? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Ah, in that case, apologies |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #14 |
59. I was trying to avoid the polls |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. You failed to normalize the data in your swing vs. red-shift scatter chart |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. you call that "normalize"? |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. You misread the analysis. It's the 2000 recorded vote that must be adjusted, not 2004 red-shift... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. So did you |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. so, I should just ignore the "adjusted red shift"? |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Yes, normalization adjustments were made to both 2000 and 2004. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. fact check |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Just look for them; it's all right there in the table, national and all states... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:56 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. since you refuse to answer my questions, let me set the record straight |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 07:09 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Thanks OTOH |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. 4/30 Update: State Red-shift vs. Adjusted Swing |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Well, good for TIA, for acknowledging his error |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Heh |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I'd be interested in a study of that: |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Well, I haven't yet figured out |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The 6.8% Kerry vote-switch was calculated based on several factors. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. "Normalize" appears to mean |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. I am not TIA. I am glengarry. It just so happens that I believe.. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. let's rock! |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Why don't you tear apart TIA's latest response to the "Truth Is All FAQ" |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:59 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. what do you think I've been doing? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. PATRICK: apologies |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. We know, we know |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Yes - what ever happened to preponderance of the evidence? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Yeah |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. The reason I'd like it |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Doesn't support? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Well, if you want to use a bad argument |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Febble.. try this. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I just don't know how to evaluate this |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Exit polls don't support the case that the election was stolen? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. No, I don't think the exit polls |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Let's take a close look at Ohio and NY |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. oh, goodness |
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glengarry (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Regarding the NY pre-election polls, I quote from your "Truth Is All FAQ" |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:59 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. hello? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
77. The focus should be on specific state exit polls with anomolous disparities |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. We need to send more people to jail; that will put the hiatus to some of this |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. Can we expect our ER "poll experts" to weigh in anytime soon? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Defend? |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. could you make a couple of things clear for me please? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. In my opinion |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
51. We're almost in complete agreement then. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Sorry, didn't know you were a Brit! |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. I have to plead almost complete ignorance |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I've been an expat |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
25. You put rightwing Bushite corporations in charge of vote counting, and give them |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
42. This is a very important strategic question: Exactly how Bush, Bushites and other |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
48. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that they rigged & stole the election in 2004 |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
52. Please be more specific. Which one are you talking about? |
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