Didn't Obama say when asked that he would absolutly pursue any election fraud?

I distinctly remember him being asked the question. The questioner mentioned Kerry in 04 and Obama said he would absolutly question any election where fraud was an issue.
So..since so many Obama supporters hers are claiming NH fraud..
Why isn't HE questioning the results?
I haven't heard him or any member of his campaign alledge this.

That was done on the Saturday before the Sunday sermon he gave in Greensboro at Rev Rons church. Late last summer in South Carolina.

and I don't think well of him because of it.

Everybody has an agenda. Everybody.

A link would be preferable. I doubt anybody would say that under no circumstances will the previous administration be investigated.

these dates are from my file creation dates. the text in parenthesis are the direct quote from the News source I can guarantee it was mainstream aand probably AP WaPo or NYT

here is the graphic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/didereaux/














Edited to remove my very rude first reply

That's how it works. You made the statement, you provide the link.

(about the 10th paragraph)
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Wednesday, Jan 9, 2008Sunday, Oct 7, 2007
Posted on Sun, Oct. 07, 2007
Obama in S.C.; toughens security stance
TAYLOR BRIGHT
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Saturday he would increase troops in Afghanistan and leave a strike force in Iraq to pursue terrorist organizations if he is elected.

"There has to be a time you have to deploy force," Obama told an energetic crowd of more than 1,500 people at Northwestern High School in Rock Hill.

The Illinois senator has relied on his early and ardent opposition to the Iraq war to separate himself from rivals Hillary Clinton and John Edwards.

In an AP-Ipsos poll, Obama trails Clinton by 20 percentage points nationally. In South Carolina, according to a Clemson University poll done last month, he trails Clinton by 10 percentage points.

But he sounded stronger on security Saturday night.

"There's no doubt we would have to go after al-Qaida," Obama said. "And if you start seeing a strengthening of terrorist camps or bases inside Iraq, then we would treat those the same way we should be treating terrorist camps in Afghanistan or along the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan ... and disarm them."

Obama said he would withdraw troops from Iraq "tomorrow" if he could, leaving an American Embassy and a strike force, while increasing troops in Afghanistan by two brigades.

"I think we can do an orderly phased withdrawal of one to two brigades a month. At that pace, we would have our combat troops out in about 16 months, and what I would maintain is a very limited presence to protect our embassies, to protect our civilian personnel ... and to have a strike force to go after al-Qaida in Iraq or to engage in other counterterrorist activities."

There are currently some 160,000 troops in Iraq and about 25,000 troops in Afghanistan. Obama said he would not keep American troops in Iraq at the levels they are in South Korea and Germany.

During his speech, he also declared the surge has failed in Iraq and he would close the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba where enemy combatants are being held.

But, Obama said, he would not use the Department of Justice to investigate the administration if elected. "I don't want to waste time as president spending all our time looking backwards. I want to look forward," Obama said, adding the caveat that if evidence of criminal activity arose, he would expect it to be pursued by the Justice Department.

Obama spoke in front of a boisterous crowd in Rock Hill, receiving loud applause at points in his speech.

"The reason you're here -- let's face it -- is you're sick and tired of George Bush," he said.

He received an equally raucous response when he proposed increasing the minimum wage every year and criticized the No Child Left Behind education program.

"We should be increasing the minimum wage every year, make it a liveable wage," Obama said.

Fashioning himself as a Washington outsider, the first-term senator walked the balance between Washington neophyte and public policy veteran.

The mix easily won over the crowd, who lined up an hour and a half early to see him, as he ended his speech, "Let's go change the world."

"It was wonderful, a life-changing experience," said Karon Page, 31, of Rock Hill.

he would expect it to be pursued.

And???

Who has the resources capable of investigating the Bush administration? About the only one is the DoJ, so where is the evidfence supposed to come from? Does he expect us to believe that once out of office these criminals are going to line up and 'rat' the boss? They all will be well ensconched in good paying jobs, and to expect us to believe that these guys would sacrifice all jsut for justice and piece of mind? Obama is not a stupid man and apparently he is a capable lawyer as well. He gave the administration a 'Get of Jail Free' card and made it look as though he still held the hammer back.

And if you think there isn't enough evidence to investigate them right now, you haven't been paying attention.

Legal talk goes both ways.

He wouldn't leave the evidence avenue open if he weren't considering the seriousness of what he might find.

What did Bill Clinton say about Bush and Iran/Contra in 1992. Because I don't remember. I just know he slammed that investigation shut pretty damn fast. Probably why he was so angry they turned on him, after the favor he'd done.

Have allegations, STRONG circumstantial evidence...but they do not have hard evidence...no smoking guns. If they did even these spineless bastards would have pursued prosecution. What do you think all those subpoenas are about...they are wanting the 'hard copy', if not actual proof at least a trail to the gun. Things are not as cut and dried in the legal world as some believe. And it gets even more tangled when you add the tenuousness of such things as powers of individual branches of government. I often rant and rale about the worthless, spineless Congress, but in many instances it is from the frustration in knowing that they are facing some pros in the legal world(the only competent bunch in the Whitehouse seems to be Cheneys legal advisors) and the congressmen for the most part are inept at best. Those that aren't inept like the Bidens etc are blocked by their own leadership.

That was your question. Congress does. We shall see what evidence they turn up. As the man said, if there is evidence, he expects the DoJ to pursuit it. HE isn't going to go on a personal witch hunt, that's all he said.

investigate. they consist almost solely in the power of the supoena, they do not have the FBI, they do not have a huge staff of well qualified lawyers who cna go out all over hte place and get depositions. they do not have the DoJs huge databases. They have the power of subpoena and the US marshalls to serve and if they can bring the people before Congress. C'mon now surely you realize all that? Else why would you argue from a knowledge base that is near empty?

They can subpoena all of that, and already have. It's not like they have to analyze bullets or track nefarious syndicates or something. Testimony and paper, that's pretty much it. Congress is doing a lot of that right now, or trying to.

Yes, Congress has subpoenaed documents as I tried a dozen times it seems to pound into your thick skull, that is about the extent of their powers other than bring contempt cahrges. Now back to those documents that Congress has subpoeaned and you seem to think they have. They are being blocked by the Whitegouse under various claims of priviledge and nationa; security. Congress does not have them yet! You ar eundoubted the most obtuse individual I have wasted time on in quite a long time. I assure it won't happen agains as I am simply putting you on ignore. You will not be miserable though, its becoming a decently long list of jackasses, all of you can bray to your hearts content there.

he is an accomplished U.S. Harvard Law School Graduate, Constitutional Lecturer, Sitting U.S. Senator and Presidential Candidate.

You should attempt to show a little respect cause this "preach" shit sounds like code for...he only speaks better than all of the other candidate....but wait, maybe cause he "preaches".

Hillary is the one that feels compelled to say "God Bless you" in all of her boring ass sermonettes.

Last time she stole his words, and did a make over on her background crowd. It was sooo obvious. She didn't have any original thoughts, which is frankly too bad!

Obama doesn't, cause he's not a preacher. He just gives great speeches.

It must suck being so Jailoos of the talents of others!

come out smelling like the holding tank at a pig factory! I don't bluff Frenchie.

October 7, 2007
Obama: GOP doesn't own faith and values

Obama told an evangelical church in South Carolina: "I am confident we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

GREENVILLE, South Carolina (CNN) — After speaking to an evangelical church on Sunday in this traditionally conservative South Carolina city, Sen. Barack Obama said that Republicans no longer have a firm grip on religion in political discourse.

"I think its important particularly for those of us in the Democratic Party to not cede values and faith to any one party," Obama told reporters outside the Redemption World Outreach Center where he attended services.

"I think that what you're seeing is a breaking down of the sharp divisions that existed maybe during the nineties, when at least in politics the perception was that the Democrats were fearful of talking about faith, and on the other hand you had the Republicans who had a particular brand of faith that often times seemed intolerant or pushed people away," he said.

Obama noted that he was pleased leaders in the evangelical community like T.D. Jakes and Rick Warren were beginning to discuss social justice issues like AIDS and poverty in ways evangelicals were not doing before.

"I think that's a healthy thing, that we're not putting people in boxes, that everybody is out there trying to figure out how do we live right and how do we create a stronger America," Obama said.

During the nearly two hour service that featured a rock band and hip-hop dancers, Obama shared the floor with the church's pastor, Ron Carpenter. The senator from Illinois asked the multiracial crowd of nearly 4,000 people to keep him and his family in their prayers, and said he hoped to be "an instrument of God."

"Sometimes this is a difficult road being in politics," Obama said. "Sometimes you can become fearful, sometimes you can become vain, sometimes you can seek power just for power's sake instead of because you want to do service to God. I just want all of you to pray that I can be an instrument of God in the same way that Pastor Ron and all of you are instruments of God."

He finished his brief remarks by saying, "We're going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

Asked by CNN if he talks about faith more in churchgoing South Carolina than he does in the other early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire, Obama said: "I don't talk about it all the time, but when I'm in church I talk about it."

Click here to CNN's new political portal: CNNPolitics.com

“ CNN South Carolina Producer Peter Hamby

Not Obama people. Nice spin though. You guys never stop.

n/t

:shrug:

:D

I'm sure you have seen he now is getting advice from the Bilderbergers. Rove has corralled him into this
with a promise of the Presidency later.

campaign season paranoia has struck you. Your delusions are curable.

and start demanding an investigation...I am sure that would play out well for him.:evilgrin:

Clinton supporters are alleging Obama supporters are alleging fraud, but the truth is DUers who would normally pursue possible voter fraud in elections where machines are involved are looking into the possibility of voter fraud in NH. They are receiving encouragement from a few Edwards supporters, I did notice, so why aren't you questioning them and why isn't HE questioning the results? I've scanned through hundreds, maybe a thousand posts on this topic looking for Obama supporters and not finding them. That's not to say there are none, but I didn't see more than one, yes, one, out of the hundreds and hundreds of posts I looked at.

I don't believe there was voter fraud and I don't observe there are very many Obama supporters who are saying there was. I do see Clinton supporters, however, assuming it's the case that Obama supporters are overwhelmingly claiming fraud. This isn't to say in the heat of primary night (I sleep at night) there wasn't a reaction of this nature, there could have been; given a heated emotional atmosphere and the numerous posts claiming Obama supporters are claiming fraud, there probably was. But if there was, it has not continued as a concerted effort or I would definitely have seen it. Because having given the Clinton supporters making this charge the benefit of the doubt, I've been looking. Are there DUers researching the possibility? Yes. Are they Obama supporters? Not noticeably.

The election fraud for or against I don't believe is coming from Obama supporters or hillary supporters the majority of the people are just pissed off this election cycle for what ever reason.

P.S. I am not saying I am excluding all Obama or Hillary supporters but the majority of both.

For or against, the election fraud argument is not being made by Clinton or Obama supporters in any significant sense.

But that's not what I said.

This is what the OP wrote:



I am saying that Obama supporters are being incorrectly held responsible. It was similar claims by a number of Clinton supporters in repeated posts that had me spending an hour and a half last night reading through several very long threads to see if there was truth to the claim that "so many Obama supporters here are claiming NH fraud."

I knew I wasn't and I knew I wasn't seeing it in the ordinary course of reading threads. Yet I was seeing the allegation that Obama supporters were crying vote fraud.

It is false as far as I can tell. There is an effort on voter fraud, but it is not coming from Obama supporters. Aside from the election reform people who traditionally take a microscope to machine elections, it's supporters of a third candidate in the race who are concerned. If the Op wants to challenge DUers on this, he is talking to the wrong group and making demands of the wrong candidate.