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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:29 PM
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weare is not in the recount these numbers are not correct. mods please delete.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 10:28 PM by ORDagnabbit
http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm


Clinton original 33,795 recount 33,120 -675

edwards original 13,236 recount 12,957 -279

obama original 28,037 recount 27,358 -679

richardson original 3,579 recount 3,343 -236

Kucinich original 869 recount 843 -29
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:31 PM
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1. hmmm, where did they go? how do we know these votes are real?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:32 PM
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4. why would you question if the votes were real? its not like the bags had been cut open before they
reached the counting areas? oh wait they were ...my bad.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:31 PM
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2. wow, so many votes, lost already and its only been a couple
weeks since NH. Kucinich really is a huge crackpot thinking that maybe all the people are not being represented. Such a great preservations of our votes. I mean i know that it doesnt make a diff as to who won but still raises an eyebrow or two.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:31 PM
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3. Hmmm. Sounds like proof to me there's a problem. nt
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:39 PM
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7. considering almost 2 thousand negative votes...yep I think there is a problem and
they're only about 17% of the way done recounting yet I think we'll see even bigger problems.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:02 PM
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18. Actually - looking at top 3 only - it was 168/74900 votes or 0.22%
Not that terrible actually...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:32 PM
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5. Still not getting how they lose votes on a recount.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:38 PM
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6. they all lost
we need to do a recount of the repubs and see if they gained any. Isnt it a coincedance that they are all lower? think on a national scale against a republican. i mean its kind of silly that each candidate lost votes that were proportional to how much they recieved. Clinton and Obama losing about the same while only a couple thousand differance while richardsin only got a couple thousand and lost only a few hundred and kucinich (poor guy) only lost 30.

this is systamatic and geared towards dems.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:40 PM
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8. cant wait for the whole process to be completed!!!
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:41 PM
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9. Those votes all went to McCain.
The machines know who we REALLY meant to vote for.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:46 PM
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10. Hey dude!!!!!!!!!!! Weare is NOT recounted yet!!! Bad data!
That is where your problem is - here is a real summary keeping Weare the same as before since the recount is not done yet!
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:50 PM
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11. are absentee included in original count and not in recount? NT
NT
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:53 PM
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12. Guys, I'm not getting this, and I hope...
others are just as baffled by these numbers as I am.

What does this mean?

All Dems lost votes?

Is the suggestion that there are some ballots missing? Or does this
indicate a malfunction with the machines?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:56 PM
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13. Obama would have been up by 1 vote if it wasn't for a typo in Wilton
FYI
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:58 PM
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15. It's a Diebold problem. Period.
When you take the same ballots that went through the optical scanners and have a team of people double-and-triple-check them, and the count is different, then the humans' count is taken as the definitive version. Particularly when the problems are spread out over the entire area and can't be attributed to one person or pair of them.

That's the law.That's technology. That's reality. THE MACHINES WERE WRONG.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:02 PM
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17. I don't think anyone is disputing that; but can those machines be
programmed to be wrong? Either way, they're not working and shouldn't be used. At least, at this point.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:06 PM
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21. It can be deliberate programming or just sloppy code
...or poorly-maintained optical scanners. LHS has a punch list a mile long of machines breaking down due to mechanical failures, as well as memory card issues.

It creates a haze around the problem-given that the machines are such crap, how can one prove deliberate fraud? Almost as if they planned it that way.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:09 PM
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22. 100 of Obama's loss appears to be a transcription error
386 vs 286

And the total loss of votes for the top 3 is 168 votes so far - only an 0.22% loss. Obama would have been up just one if it wasn't for that 100 vote error in Wilton.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:13 PM
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25. Those 168 voters have the right to have their votes counted
Too many Dems have caught the "winning is everything" disease from the Reeps. COUNT EVERY VOTE!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:17 PM
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29. I agree - there should be NO errors
I am simply trying to correct the 10x off total error posted in the o/p.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:22 PM
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31. Fair enough nt
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:57 PM
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14. Weare is not in the totals - so they didn't lose hundreds of votes
Please correct your numbers
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:05 PM
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20. I hope people read our posts before commenting
The O/P's numbers are way off due to Weare not being in recount total!
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:10 PM
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23. You know what they say... Facts can ruin a good argument
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:14 PM
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27. And uncounted votes can ruin a good democracy
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:01 PM
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16. This article suggests that there are no problems in NH....
wHAT DOES everyone make of this? Is the NH SOS a Republican?

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Primary+recount+continues+with+minor+changes&articleId=ad21f73a-f6e4-4f50-864c-2e417e08cdf6

PRIMARY RECOUNT CONTINUES WITH MINOR CHANGES

CONCORD – A recount of 35,000 Democratic presidential primary ballots has yielded minor changes in totals, Secretary of State William Gardner said late yesterday.

Dennis Kucinich, who requested the recount and paid $27,000 toward covering its nearly $70,000 expense, has actually lost one vote so far. He received a total of 3,901 votes statewide.

Gardner said he'll continue recounting ballots in Hillsborough and Rockingham counties -- home to just over half the state's voters -- until he is close to having spent all the money Kucinich has paid.

"We'll stop at that point and see what's next," he said. So far, 12 of 17 precincts that were recounted showed no change in totals.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:03 PM
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19. After today they are off by 168/74900 votes - top 3 only
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:10 PM
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24. It isn't about who wins
..it's about each and every eligible voter having his or her vote count. (My ballot was not counted in 2004 because Ken Blackwell decided not to count the Absentee ballots, so I have been in these NH voters' shoes. )

I am not willing to see anybody's vote dismissed as insignificant or unworthy of a recount. And fuck anybody who says differently-head over to the Republican Party, you'll fit right in.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:15 PM
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28. I have no stake in who wins
Where did I state that? I have posted the results and noted the 3 notable error locations. I am also trying to correct the O/P who made a major math error - that's all. :shrug:
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:22 PM
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30. It's not you in particular
..it's the attitude that "a few missing votes is not a problem" espoused by many alleged Democrats.

ANY MISSING VOTES ARE A PROBLEM.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:14 PM
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26. Recommend. nt
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