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MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:17 AM
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I hope this isn't a stupid election question...
Hi, I'm fairly new here, so pardon me if this has already been cleared up.

Hypothetical:

Say a state was forced to do a recount because fraud was discovered. The state in question had a mix of paper ballots with opti-scan machines/and some scary, no paper trail, black box machines.

So, how could they even perform a valid recount, even if it had to be done? Would they just automatically void all of the black box votes and only recount the paper-trail ballots? Obviously, not all the votes would be getting counted, but what other choice would they have?

I hope that's not too confusing...my head has been spinning the last couple of weeks. Thank GOD for DU. You guys are great!

Matt :)

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badc0der Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:24 AM
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1. it depends on state law
In FL for instance DRE systems are exempt from recounts.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:55 AM
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5. Really? DRE's EXEMPT from recounts?!
well that law will have to go down very fast because the Ohio ands NC "glitches" prove they are prone to error.
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badc0der Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:27 PM
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9. correction
it looks like the SOS exempting them was struck down, here is some detail about how recounts on DRE machines would happen in Florida:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=26324

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:25 AM
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2. welcome to DU Matt
they will recount any paper they have and the black boxes they just have to take the results they have

they have some ways to check things on them but not many

for an indepth look at the issue visit Bev Harris' site www.blackboxvoting.org
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:31 AM
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7. For the paperless DREs
they can spit out a regurgitation of the original tabulation and call it a recount.

:-(
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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:26 AM
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3. Seems to me that's a question for the courts
If the fraud discovered involved BBV, and I was the judge, I would have to declare the entire election invalid. I guess then it would be up to the State Legistlature to chose the electors.
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MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:14 AM
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4. Thanks for the replies!
I need to do more reading at bbv. And donating!

Even if nothing can be done about this election, the truth WILL come out. Maybe not next week, next month, or even next year.

But it will come out. I refuse to give up on my country.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:27 AM
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6. Make sure you also look at www.Votergate.tv
You will see more from them after the dust settlesas they are still filming right now!

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:42 AM
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8. Here's what else you can do --
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