That curious Bush family election night video.

Maureen Farrell of wrote the following in her Nov. 9, 2004 BuzzFlash article:

"On election night, Peter Jennings looked measurably surprised when he learned that President Bush had provided a tape of himself, sitting in the White House, commenting on his impending victory. It was an unprecedented move. No sitting president had ever addressed the nation while polls were still open. It was just not done. But there was George, exuding confidence, offering an election day reminder of our leader's legitimacy."

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/11/far04038.html



A similar observation was made by Hunter S. Thompson four years ago in an espn.com column on the 2000 election:

"There was one exact moment, in fact, when I knew for sure that Al Gore would Never be President of the United States, no matter what the experts were saying -- and that was when the whole Bush family suddenly appeared on TV and openly scoffed at the idea of Gore winning Florida. It was Nonsense, said the Candidate, Utter nonsense. ... Anybody who believed Bush had lost Florida was a Fool. The Media, all of them, were Liars & Dunces or treacherous whores trying to sabotage his victory.

They were strong words and people said he was Bluffing. But I knew better. Of course Bush would win Florida. Losing was out of the question. Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV.

The old man was the real tip-off. The leer on his face was almost frightening. It was like looking into the eyes of a tall hyena with a living sheep in its mouth. The sheep's fate was sealed, and so was Al Gore's. ... Everything since then has been political flotsam & Gibberish."

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/001127.html



I was reminded of Osama Bin Laden's video-taped recordings released immediately after 9/11. The TV networks were cautioned not to air them in their entirety for fear that they might contain hidden messages. A certain hand gesture, for example, might signal Al-Qaida sleeper cells to carry out whatever terrorist attack they had planned.

And I got to thinking, what was the purpose of that election night video of the Bush family? Along side him was his wife, his daughters, his mother Barbara, his father George Sr., and some others. The whole family was there expressing confidence in his imminent victory.

I thought the timing was a bit odd -- it came out when the exit polls predicted a sure Kerry win. It was also strange that after the broadcast of this video, the tide began to turn in Bush's favor.

I have a theory: the video was a secret signal from the Bush family to their vote riggers across the country to begin stealing the vote. The plan must have been to let the election proceed normally and see if Bush could win it fairly and honestly. Only if it became obvious Tuesday night that he would lose, would they give the go-ahead for "plan B", which was the plan to steal the vote. The tape of the entire Bush family exuding confidence of his victory was the green light for the vote-stealing operatives to spring into action.

That Bush has to communicate with his vote-riggers in this manner says certain things about the nature of the operation. Perhaps the guys in charge keep a good distance from the operatives who work in the field. They don't communicate with each other directly in order to reduce the risk of detection. Or perhaps the conspirators do communicate with each other directly -- they just want the order to steal the election to be certified by the president himself. Whatever the case, there were probably many operatives, installed in precincts all over the country, all waiting for their signal.

If all this is true, then we need to determine when the Bush video was broadcast. The precincts that had already reported can't be tampered with anymore, so they can be used as a control group. The tampering can only be done on the precincts that have not yet reported at the time of the broadcast. By comparing these two groups, we might find statistical anamolies.







Here is a web report, posted 9:45pm election night, mentioning the tape:

"Bush Invites Pool reporters into White House
ABC News reports President Bush has invited the Press Pool in for a quick interview. According to ABC, this is highly unusual and may have never happened before during an election night.

UPDATE: ABC Ran the tape, but it did not have any sound. Pres. Bush had his family around him, including his daughters, wife and Pres. Bush Sr. and the former First Lady.
Not sure what the point was… "

http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/016983.html

Here is another web report, posted 10:14pm election night, mentioning the tape. This is a long web page, and the entry is about one fifth of the way down. Do a search on the page for "Bush Family" and it'll take you to the right place.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13653-2004Oct31.html?referrer=email


I believe the following is the actual Bush video, hosted on the Washington Post website:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/politics/110204-15v.htm

You need to make a time line -- we know that the exit polls were altered at a certain time.

Make a list of everything that has some sort of time stamp.

kick

It was a diversion away from the poll watching--so they could change the numbers without it being real obvious.

When did Mitofsky's machine "crash" again?

When did Rove start making calls and then reappear in the Roosevelt Room?

Just kidding. :silly:
That's a interesting thought though. I thought both election were strange in that respect. I remember DUHbya having a interview, can't remember with whom before the election and the interviewer asked him "what if you lose" and DUhbya said "I'm not gonna lose" in a self assured snippy manner.

....after Karen Hughes told Dumbya he was going to lose in a landslide.....

can subpoena those phone records from the WH? It would be very interesting to see who he was calling!

But I'm not sure they need to send a signal. I think the prior instructions suffice.

He probably first wanted to give a fair election a chance. If he could win honestly, then why risk getting caught stealing it? Only when it becomes apparent that he wasn't going to win, would he give instructions to rig the results.

They knew they were going to get hammered in early October remember that is when KKKarl began spouting shit about winning Gore states.

They had been planning on stealing it for weeks and began the theft as folks on the East Coast were going to bed. See these folks had been following the exit polls they knew Kerry was winning, folks on the West Coast were just settling in for the night catching their first glimpses of results.

Best time to pull the switcharoo which is exactly what happened. I think your theory about the video being the trigger is spot on. These fuckers are the true Al-Queda. They created Osama and they know all his moves. It makes me sick to think of their evil fucking guffaws as KKKarl gave the signal to fuck US in the ass. BASTARDS!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

...I doubt it man! Come on, that's just too cute to hold water. My feeling is that the overall strategy was to mainly cheat in the way the election was planned - not so much in the evil-hacker sense. I think mainly they set up the machines (touchscreen AND card readers AND maybe even punch-card machines) to preferentially choose Bush (eg. Bush is default in case of machine problems, more difficult to choose Kerry if punch-machine is dulled a bit, whatever). Plus, they planned greater chaos & long lines in poorer areas. Hacking the GEMS database(s) is also possible, but it's not easy to prove. Maybe Bev HArris will manage to collect proof of tampering by looking at the log files of the machines or something...I hope so.
But the idea of a 'timing signal' and a large-scale organization of cheaters - I doubt they're that smart and well coordinated. Besides, if the rules are set out in advance, why bother with fancy 'I spy' methods?

I think they cheated in many ways, but probably not in the more imaginative ways some people have been proposing. Bush needed a few extra percentage points going into the election...I figure a national-scale 'planned chaos' would be effective enough, and make it difficult for average people to get a sense of a coordinated plan (much less be able to prove one), which means they're home free. All anybody can hold against them is that they seemed to have 'luck on their side'. Enough to be suspicious - but of course we were suspicious for the last few years and he was still president.

Anyhow...I'd be the first to jump for joy if concrete proof turned up that They really did consciously organize massive fraud in some easily-provable way.

and me and another friend noted how surprisingly relaxed he looked when he was talking about how he's 'gonna win', whereas you could see that Kerry was obviously nervous. Thats a bit too suspicious fpr me... :freak:

because a few days before election day, it seemed quite the opposite to me :o

More coffee and some Bush-B-Gone

but as soon as you try to suggest something like that in public the tin foil hat accusations come out. but could that also be part of the plan: make it so bizarre and so chaotic no one would believe it for a minute, and no mainstream media organization would risk being associated with such crazy ideas.

but this way they can give the signal without leaving any definite tracks - no connection between them and the hackers. again sounds like al-qaeda: sleeper cells of deliquent kids, acting independently, nothing to connect them to one another so if any one of them is caught it's just seen as an isolated incident.

it would be good to see a timeline, and it's good to have stories like this to build up a picture of what happened.

but motivation to keep plugging

"...make it so bizarre and so chaotic no one would believe it for a minute, and no mainstream media organization would risk being associated with such crazy ideas..."

That's exactly it, that and 'hide in plain sight'.


:hippie:

Hi all,

I just watched the video in question at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/politics/110204-15v.htm

The page gives the time as 10:03pm, which I believe is eastern. I remember it was just after the top of an hour, and 7pm my time (CA) sounds about right. I'm not sure about the timeline on the other issues, like Rove's calls, etc.

Let's stay out of tin-foil country, but let's see if there are anomolies in the data, or other evidence that would be indicative of such a claim. I think it would be a far less than wise idea to call on a vote hack (if that is what did it) from anywhere we would think to ask for the record.

Hope that helps,

- George

me Florida. I knew then he was in no matter what. This year it was the Diebold guy when he said essentially the same thing.

from F9/11. Giggling and "put it on the books".

The scene from this past election night, that smirk, those girlishly crossed legs made my heart sink and stomach turn. My brain fought it off but I knew at that moment the deal was done.

x(

Bush was a bit irked and responded something like his brother assured him that things in Florida were under control. That stuck with me.

As it turns out, Gore did indeed have the votes in Florida, but it was only evident after a full Florida recount, sponsored by a media consortium, was completed. Far too late.

When I saw the family video on election night and the shit-eating white-faced forced grin on Chimp's face, it was the same exact look he had when he LIHOP as he read the goat book on 9/11.

At that point, I knew it was over.

results obsessively.When the networks announced that they were cutting to the White House, which is unprecedented, I screamed to my family..."oh my god, it's some sort of diversion, something's wrong".
Everyone said I was overwrought and should get some sleep.When I woke the next morning I was devastated.

that for no amount of money.

I went to bed at 3am EST with hope still alive and woke up to desolation at about 11am.

Why risk election/BBV tampering if Bush were winning the election?
Why indeed?
ONLY when it became apparent that he wasn't going to pull it out did the signal need to be sent and perhaps risk exposure for the almighty gain of the kingdom. For some reason this song comes to mind and I feel like the mountain people.


Listen, children, to a story
That was written long ago,
'Bout a kingdom on a mountain
And the valley-folk below.

On the mountain was a treasure
Buried deep beneath the stone,
And the valley-people swore
They'd have it for their very own.

Go ahead and hurt your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
There won't be any trumpets blowing
Come the judgement day,
On the bloody morning after....
One tin soldier rides away.

So the people of the valley
Sent a message up the hill,
Asking for the buried treasure,
Tons of gold for which they'd kill.

Came an answer from the kingdom,
"With our brothers we will share
All the secrets of our mountain,
All the riches buried there."


Now the valley cried with anger,
"Mount your horses! Draw your sword!"
And they killed the mountain-people,
So they won their just reward.

Now they stood beside the treasure,
On the mountain, dark and red.
Turned the stone and looked beneath it...
"Peace on Earth" was all it said.

Say a prayer for the children in Fallujah who are also mountain people.

Peace.

I haven't thought of that song in soooo long.

Billy Jack was a favorite movie of mine as was that song "One Tin Soldier." I always felt it was so deep in its meaning.

Thanks for the memory. Even sang it to myself.

:eyes:

surprised. He said never in all his years of covering elections has a candidate made any announcement before the polls closed.

was not over. The cockiness and contempt in all of their faces - a little circle of them - was a horrible thing to view and I hope I can shake it from my memory. I may not view the 2004 appearance - two to erase is double trouble for my peace of mind.

Cruelty. crime, avarice, and destruction is coming to us from a huge consortium of operatives and is represented in a family and their gathering.

Our country - our country - with these people stealing and dictating is too much.

We thought we were free of evil kingdoms and serfs.

night when all the shows announced that Bush was going to come out and declare victory without the 270 electoral votes and without a concession from Kerry.

The stories seem to indicate that there were some cautious people in his camp that didn't want him to do that. But he was raring to go. Didn't understand why he should wait to declare victory.
My mouth was hanging open at the audacity of this idea.

I might be wrong on the timing, but it seemed to me that it was after these announcements that the family room thing came up.

Dunno if there is any "secret signal" or sign of fraud in Bush's conference, although I personally don't like it.

Bush has always been audacious. (He did the same thing in 2000 -- made comments, and then started acting like president within a few days after the vote, making a big deal about collecting his cabinet.)

He fights aggressive battles rather than defensive ones. He hates waiting. He'd rather be in control even if losing, then sit around and let others be in control.

And he thinks if he pretends something is true, then people will believe it is... and maybe even reality will change to suit him. (And in some ways he's right -- people DO change to accommodate someone pushing a POV very forcibly, if they don't know better or aren't sure... Of course, that shouldn't change tangibles -- like ballots. Err, paper ballots.)

These traits of Bush really grate on me, seem very presumptuous and arrogant, but it's hard to tell if it's such a clear sign of "fraud." I was shocked when some people sincerely told me they thought Kerry came across as arrogant because he was aloof and spoke over people's heads. (?) Only shows how predetermined POV changes one's perception of reality.

It's part of bush's "faith based" world, which I perceive as "magical thinking."

bush is another version of Napoleon grabbing the crown. Rove has trained his dog very well.

a show of confidence so that when the tide did turn in his favor, which he knew it would, that the public perception would not be too shocked.

Also read somewhere that Karen Hughes had just informed him he was losing badly (maybe in your post here). Could it be possible that she was not in on the scam?

My tin hat is really tight but did you see the way that Jenna was shaking her leg?

It looked like she was saying, " Go on, go on, steal it."

They are the real crime family in America.

They way to get them is to have some really cute guy start dating Jenna or Barb. These two will blab blab blab the family business or anything else to get a drink and a cute date.

I got a very strange feeling of deja vu from this little family scene. The timing seems to be just right for sending a signal of some kind. Wish someone more enterprising than I will put together a timeline.

that they would not want to play the OBL tape because they imagine it might be a "secret signal" for his supporters to act, that they would imagine this, is evidence that it would be a method they would use to signal to their election day conspirators. This is an interesting theory worth exploring. As for Hughes and Rove reporting to the president that he was likely to lose the election, why wouldn't you believe that this was simply a PR/media ploy to make it look like they weren't in on a fix? Remember Bush&CO are criminals, they have no limits to grabbing and holding power.

and not talking to any hackers.

Same thing with 9/11 - He was only reading a children's book.. "he couldn't possibly have been complicit".

When I saw it, it struck me as being odd.

Good post!

I read (on DU) at work that night that he was going to speak, couldn't get any video/audio at work - so left early to see it at home.
What was all the attention to the dog, btw? However, that smirky look on his face clinched it for me...I was in shock. (I know, I should have expected it)
I then watched the Kerry numbers sink, as well as the holding back of announcing states that projected Kerry winning. It was a sleepless night after that.
Liars and cheaters, all of them!!

Need. Evidence. Now. Please.

in which she said how frantic she was about the Kerry landslide, but then she told Dick, who was listening to his I-Pod, and he just said something like, "no worries" and put the headphones back on.
Sorry no link.

the story as told by Jeb was that when the word first came in that Florida was lost, he was at a table with W, and he stood up and apologized for not delivering, and then went to make some phone calls to the west coast states to try to get out the vote there.

But...did he? Has anyone ever heard anything about such calls? Maybe they were private, as opposed to PR calls to the public at large via the media. I think it much more likely that his phone records would show a slew of calls exclusively to Florida, to see what could be finagled. I've always smelled shenanigi.

election when Letterman joked about Florida, and his chances there, and Bush just laughed and joked about how Florida was a lock, and how if he lost Florida, there would be some really angry people around the thanksgiving dinner table next month.

I saw this as a re-run, after the selection, so in hindsight it was extremely creepy. I wish somebody could find that video.

He was so cocky and was basically saying "yeah, my brother is making sure Florida's a lock for me".

HA HA HA! He's sooooo funny

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Someone give that man a prize and send him the secret password for the DU inner sanctum. :toast:

Maybe not that far-fetched. Remember the sniper case a while back with Police Chief Moose reading nonsensical statements on TV, such as, "'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose" and Muhammad and Malvo drive to a rest stop in the middle of the night and wait there to be arrested?

I can imagine teams of CIA controlled computer hackers spread out throughout the country watching TV as directed and on signal going into action. No phone records to trace, no emails, no letters. They have no recollection of what they have done and later, self destruct, much like the scientists involved in the anthrax cases.

With this bunch, with Poppy Bush working behind the scenes, anything's possible.

unusual photo op. Unusual, especially, since Bush never really said anything at the time that warranted press coverage.

BLM, saw your quickie post in thread that mentions possibility of bush
being on tv election day as signal to start with vote tampering...

I had a really strong "felling" or intuition that this is what happened.

Did anyone else where your Husband works mention this that you know of?

Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving,
Robin

...was arranged because BUSH internal polsters told him he was in big trouble & needed to stop any flow of potential BUSH voters giving up, and not voting. I think my opinion may not be at odds with your thesis, tho...

Does anyone remember someone here posted that "WH sources" had assured National Review that * had 'already won FL and OH' and this was EARLY EARLY, like 4-6pm? That keeps replaying in my mind over and over. Not to mention the curious video.

I read somewhere as well that Karen Hughes had already taken away his crayons to explain he LOST, then Rove started 'working the phones'.

Is there a timeline on all this?

room KKKarl Rove worked the phones! We need to see who he was talking to!

He has his left arm raised unnaturally just until the camera has zoomed in on him all the way and held there a few seconds. Then he pulls it down in a hurry as though signaled "okay, we got it, that's enough". He seems nervous. The more I look at this tape, the weirder it is.

If there is a correlation in time between when this went on national air, and when *'s numbers started "improving", then I think we've got something very interesting here.

Also very interesting would be the actual circumstances of the "impromptu" visit itself. Which news organization(s) were invited? When was it set up? Who arranged it? How far in advance?

He was telling him that he loved him and that he was sorry he was going to lose Florida. Then he went and worked the phones.

Timeline is an Excellent idea. But how do votes flow in? They flow in by who is finished first, right? Maybe they knew how much they needed in the first flow ?

I cannot start a post yet, but everyone needs to spread it around!!! as of today, Nov 19th, 2004....The Ohio Democratic Party is giving an email to URGE Kerry to retract his concession!!!! It's that vri@dnc.org email, however, remember when Cam Kerry said it should be referred to DNC???? According to The Ohio Democratic Party vri@dnc.org IS CAMERON KERRYS EMAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPREAD THIS AROUND NOW!!!!! AND GIVE KERRY YOUR URGES TO WITHDRAW CONCESSION AT THAT EMAIL.

http://www.ohiodems.org/index.php?display=ReleaseDetails&id=197520

I do quote, from this website!

Vote Fraud or Mistakes – Information about fraud or mistake can be reported the Ohio Democratic Party.

You may also share any concerns about voter fraud or mistakes the Secretary of State by emailing: election@sos.state.oh.us
Contacting Kerry. If you would like to urge Kerry to withdraw his concession or share information about election fraud, Cameron Kerry, John’s brother is collecting comments. His email is: vri@dnc.org

Cam Kerry's email less than a week after the election stated the following.....

"If you have specific factual information about voting problems that could be helpful to the lawyers doing their job, please send it to vri@dnc.org rather than to me."

But Ohio Democratic Party is claiming it is his email!!!!! Get this on the main posts please, something BIG is going on!!!!!

And I don't think I should reaaly give JK my urges.

Go to the link I gave..scroll down to almost the very bottom. You will find it!

Cam Kerry, and they say you can ask JK to unconcede, but there isn't anything new here, and most of the text preceeding it talks about how unlikely it is that the voting outcome will eventually be different.

Cam Kerry originally told us not to send them to him -- but rather send to that other email address. according to ohio democratic party, that "other" address now belongs to him. I am optimistic seeing "To urge Kerry to withdraw..." on the Ohio Dem Site...

The Bush video was inappropriate on a still open election. It would certainly make sense.

"The plan must have been to let the election proceed normally and see if Bush could win it fairly and honestly."

No - you have to see the trends so you can tell how much to steal. There has to be a trend recognized so that you can actively attack it with a retrend and have it finish to the desired outcome.

But today when I put words regarding Bush family gatherings to see if they tended to get together at key times I didn't find much about politics. I kept finding articles about occultist gatherings, satanism, drugs, crimes, nazism.

That would probably be true of a lot of leaders if I searched them, there are always wild accusations...but it was not what I expected to find! I think I just used words "bush family" gathering

So hey, maybe it was some invocation

I think that we may never really have a fair election again in this country. At least not until we all stand up and fight. The voting machines that the government insists on are made and controlled by known, self admitted Right wingers. It doesn't make any difference what the actual vote is, the results will simply be what they want them to be. This last election was proof of that, just ask anyone in most of the small counties in Florida that are strongly Democratic yet the vote went heavily for Bush. And many, many others from Ohio to New Mexico to Oregon to Pennsylvania. How can we fight people who will stop at nothing to win, who have the money and connections to get away with outright theft of votes, who because of this cheating control almost all of politics and media.
It is very difficult to get up off the floor after being sucker punched, but we have to figure out a way to do it. We have to stop being the victim and fight back, and win. We just have to figure out how to start. So far we haven't done a very good job of it in Texas where we went from one of the best governors in the country (Ann Richards), to the worst ever (Bush) and then sicked him on the rest of the country.
Help us all!

does it coincide with the video?

but your theory really struck a nerve with me. I've not joined in the discussions on the stealing of this election prior to this post.

Maybe it is because I live in Alabama, where there was no surprise that the state went red overall. But I admit that the MARGIN of victory here has nagged at me ever since election night. I personally registered 60 new voters, the vast majority - if not all - of whom voted for Kerry. Not a huge number, but I know others who registered more than I did (I went door to door; others set up tables at public places or events with access to lots of folks). I did NOT see parallel efforts by local Republicans, who undoubtedly felt they had it wrapped up from the get go.

I have tried to convince myself that we just lost this one "fair and square" (I know, I know, that's a terrible term to use in this context). I've read a lot of the threads on the theft of the election - and certainly had no doubt that 2000 was stolen in daring and shameless fashion. I don't know what happened to me after November 2, but it is like I just shut down. While it was too much for me to fathom that there really were THAT many people who could not see the tragedy ahead with Bush back in the White House, after working my ass off for months to defeat him, I guess I just couldn't wrap my mind around another crooked election and the need to fight, once again. Guess I'm just a big ole wimp.

But your post - off the wall as it may be - is the first thing that has triggered some internal resistence for me to accepting these election results. Maybe I'm just ready to jump back into the fray. Either way, very interesting stuff.

I'm in Alabama, too!
:hi:

I have played it several times, and each time, it becomes increasingly clear that that gesture was not a 'natural' gesture.

His left hand is in a fist.:shrug:

I changed the channel...I couldn't watch his face.

Does it work for you or is it my computer?

thank you for posting your thoughts.
It's certainly odd this video aired prior to the polls being closed.

This, I am sure, was well before the tide turned.

I think it's an interesting theory, but I have a different take. About the time that the video aired, I was watching one of the talking heads - probably MSNBC - and they noted that Karl Rove had just emerged from the "war room" and was on his way to be with the President. He flashed a curious "V" sign for victory to the media and headed up to be with the President. Then they rolled the video and relayed the President's people had said they had won. This is just as the poll numbers were starting to swing their way. I think Rove was overseeing (or being updated on) said manipulation and when he had confirmation that the plan was in effect and working, he notified the President of the impending stolen victory. Hence the celebratory video and announcement ahead of poll closings.....

I remember waiting for the "press coonference" to start, and they showed a live shot of the reporters huddled outside of the White House entrance after they got word that they were invited inside. There was a big posse of them, all rushing and crowding at the door like school kids.

I remember that the anchorman I was watching at the time was speculating that Bush was perhaps going to tell the nation to continue voting, the polls were still open on the west coast, etc.

Instead, what we got was Bush's smirking face and Jenna's LIME GREEN high heels. It was then I realized that this is a family that DOES WHAT IT DAMN WELL PLEASES and that they had NO intention of going anywhere.

And the words that came to my head were Michael Moore's...
"Dude, where's my country?"

but, interestingly, she is wearing black and silver...so, why the green shoes?

Great observation!

as I posted here and another thread - I think they are the "greenlight" signal. They just look so out of place, no? Tinfoil, probably, but an enterprising person should construct a timeline for this video in relation to when the numbers started changing.

those shoes don't even match what she's wearing. lol

are just NOT right at all! hmmmm :tinfoilhat:

where in Dade County , the news station said half way through an election that there was a computer "breakdown" , then they started giving "projected" votes on air, then when the machines were "working again", the results had been changed by them. It reminds me of this "election" and the phony news conference.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/electronicvoting

:kick:

The "green light" signal...right in front of the world.

I find it reprehensible that bush would involve his daughter.

was a pair of RED heels...

And another thing, I just watched the video, for the first time, with and without sound. Remember how rove says everything must be staged so the message comes across even if you have the sound turned off?

Well, friends, watch it again. The first time the camera pulls away from bush, Jenna's leg is still, but then it begins to swing. It's bizarre. You don't really notice it with the sound on.

And the positioning of the family is really weird. The twin Barbara is his favorite, but it's Jenna that's in the "limelight," no pun intended. Also that "Barney" chant was freaky, I agree.

I don't like what I'm seeing in this video, not at all.

weird. I noticed the foot bouncing also. I just think the whole scene is not quite right.