Revote! Revote! Revote!

The 2004 election was "flawed" by machine "errors" resulting in possibly millions of "incorrect" votes.

The only legal solution is to hold a revote.

This can be done WITHOUT computers. Carbon-paper ballots, allowing the voter to cast DUPLICATE votes into AT LEAST 2 separate ballot-boxes, to be totalled BY AT LEAST 2 independent officials, on videotape.

We need to do this NOW before the Electoral College meets. Rule of law! The Equal-Protection Clause requires this!

if we could get a revote just in Florida and Ohio, maybe just in the presidential race. It would be very embarrassing if paper ballots and hand counting revealed that George and his whole rotten bunch are a bunch of fraudsters!!

We use those damn Diebold machines and I swear to god this state isn't as red as we're led to believe.

We made it into the Votergate movie - it's so bad here.

That after 4 years of extensive planning the original election day was still soooooo filled with anomalies, irregularities, and lack of planning, that we can manage to pull off a revote in a few weeks that is actually Fair? You really think they could organize it, staff it, communicate it, blah blah blah, and the results would be binding and the American Public would accept it?

Hey, more power to ya,

But from where I sit, AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

...in order to launch a national revote? Who can lauch a national revote? Only Candidates? The Voters? Who?
BTW, have you signed the revote petition on Jeff Fisher's blog? If not, here is a link:

www.jefffisherforcongress.com

According to another DUer here, it's legit.

Fact is, we don't HAVE any kind of verified totals for the popular vote - we have wildly differing totals and a patchwork of semi-functioning computers for different precincts and counties.

THAT seems to be a big violation of whatever laws specify that votes shall be cast and counted.

How hard would it be to tell people to show up at the polls one more time, grab a ballot, fill it out, and drop it in the ballot box?

Hey, there's a great side benefit to paper ballots - they eliminate the long lines waiting for one machine! If there's lots of people in line, just split the piles of blank ballots into smaller piles and make extra lines. How simple!

And Canada has 31 to our 250 million. So that would be about ten times as long for the vote counting, if we counted the same way they do. So it took two weeks to count the votes. Big deal. (Whatever this electronic voting is, it's bullshit. )

This is a very small problem, when split out to the precinct level.

We could thus count the vote manually about as fast as Canada does.

...only a RE-VOTE could clear it up faster, and more efficiently.
Maybe there are grounds to proceed with a national re-vote based on basic equal rights protections due to voters in less influential counties being disenfranchised through faulty e-voting machines?

Using the same "equal protection clauses" that the SCotUS used in order to give Dubya the 2000 election?

The problem, perhaps, would be that each state of the union has it's own state's rights, and what if those "red states" dominated by Republicans, don't want to participate; citing some defense under the election already having taken place, if there is one?

I just wanted to say. The fraud of this election is being proved, by a wonderful thoughtful woman (Bev Harris) ‘Blackboxvoting.org”. We all need to thank this woman, for she is protecting our rights for a truthful election. I ask everyone to send her a thank you at her web site.

We need to keep up the fight to have our voices heard, send these media outlets an email demanding they report the news accurately. If we don’t keep up the fight they will have won.

We now see that the republicans in our government are immoral. By allowing an indicted person to keep their job in our government is beyond reasoning.

These people have stolen our election, and they need to be held accountable for the theft.
Send John Kerry a message let him know we have not given up the fight for our right to elect who we want for our president, so don’t give up on us. Send all democrats a message that we expect them to join John Kerry in the fight for our presidency, and we will be there to back them up. Let them know we have their backs, now help protect our backs. This needs to be done now.

the constitution is very specific about what day voting will occur on

US Constitution: Section II Article 1 : http://www.megalaw.com/constitution/article2.php#sec1

Federal law: US Code Title 3, Chapter 1, Section 1: http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode03/usc_sup_01_3_10_1.html

The constitution outlines when the states need to deliver their electoral votes. That's it. For many states, the time to request a recount has already passed, and we're nearing deadlines for contesting the results. We've got to prove fraud. Hopefully it will sway the states electors, maybe it will overturn a state, though unlikely. At least fraud will be proven and no confidence will be given to this administration. At least then we'll be more likely to have a democratic election next time.

a revote would be great. Democrats are so mad so they would def show. Republicans will have to hope the rapture doesn't come before that.

You're living in fantasy land if you think that we're going to have a "revote."

why not move the inauguration for this time to march 4, the day it occurred for so many years.

a couple of hundred people outside cheney's house with megaphones going "revote!" would draw news coverage.

a few thousand letters to the editors would get noticed. emails to national news outlets would eventually draw attention -- if the volume is high enough.

wouldn't the bush administration (tongue firmly in cheek here) want to know they actually have the mandate they've been telling us they have?

doesn't the federal government owe it to citizens to ensure that votes are tabulated correctly? without error? without hanky-panky?

if americans can't believe in the basic process that makes us americans, then we really can't believe in anything, can we? would the federal government want to risk us losing that much faith in it? of course not. that's why the bush administration needs to take the lead in asking the united nations and other observers to come in and help us re-do the vote in ohio, florida, and a couple of other states.

whether it actually happens or not (and we know it will be "or not"), you can't un-ring a bell. if only a little noise is made, we get scoffed at by the likes of limbaugh and hannity.

but if thousands -- make that millions -- of people demand a revote, we'll get the pleasure of hearing the lame excuses they'll make not to have one. while the entire world watches.

to me, that'll be worth the price of admission.

revote!

But I think for many...that the passion and enthusiasm have died down after November 2 and they have resigned themselves to the fact of having * for another four years.
What kind of turnout would we be guaranteed? Would we fight this far only to be made impotent by apathy?
Would the masses stand in the rain and cold again only for the chance to possibly have their vote ignored or to be totally disenfranchised...again...for the third time?
Most people are not aware of all of these problems because MSM isn't reporting it. They are living their lives in a vacuum where voter irregularities do not exist, where BBV is a small crawl on CNN, where Bill O'Reilly and Clarence Thomas are allowed to go on sexually harrassing women with the blessing of their party, and think that Bill Clinton's blowjob is the only crime perpetrated in the WH.
All around Spurious George is tearing down the house that democracy built and yet many just watch--and do nothing..thinking...we'll get him next time. I don't think we will have a chance at next time.
I don't think a revote is the answer. I think we have to keep treading through the proof...the numbers....the statistics....the circumstantial evidence that is mounting. With all of this outpouring of brainpower and research...something has to break..the laws of averages are on our side that they MISSED something...just one little thing that will tear down their house of cards and it is incumbent upon us to find it and find it quickly.
We have to go to our media sources and shame them into doing their jobs. We have to write our congressman, our local government...hell, even write Santa Claus if it does the trick. People talk...it's their nature. Someone isn't going to keep the secret forever--some little pimply faced geek is going to want to impress his girlfriend with his knowledge and participation in the crime of the century.
We cannot expect people to keep doing the right thing over and over and over....and win everytime. We've won twice...yet we never got to take the trophy home. The bullies bitchslapped us and took it away and it's about time we learn to fight back and take what is rightfully ours...not expect it to be given to us "one more time".

(1) Pick up the forms around town where you pick up your IRS forms (libraries, post offices, etc. - also laundromats, restaurants, bars, wherever).

(2) Fill them out in private to cast your vote. Each ballot produces carbon-copy triplicates pre-addressed to a Dem, a Repub and an independent/UN official vote-counter. Drop in the mail. Done.

(Privacy & security note: Voter has to sign the ballot. Vote-counters are sword to secrecy about who voted for whom. Our medical records are "confidential" but a few doctors, nurses and secretaries are still allowed to see them.)

No more standing in line in the cold that depresses turnout.
No more computer glitches that destroy faith in the vote.

This is 21st-century America voting. America, the land of convenience.

Where in the law does it say that we have to make voting like standing in line at a bill-paying center that credits your payment to the wrong company 5% of the time and doesn't give you a paper receipt?

A simple triplicate mail-in re-vote would probably be:

(a) more in tune with the Letter and Spirit of the Law than the current chaos and lack of faith;

(b) our last chance to salvage democracy in this country.

You can't get much easier or more worthwhile than that folks.

So what do you say? What if these little triplicate carbon-copy postage-paid ballot forms got designed and approved on the web over the next few days... the appropriate Dem, Repub and independent/UN officials got designated in each area... and then these ballots started popping up all over town?

I know it's crazy but... what's the alternative? Saying George trashed our vote and then letting him continue to trash our country, our currency, our military, and our honor?

This might be our last, and most important, chance to exercise our Freedom of Speech. And we don't even need George Soros to pay for it or a batallion of computer progammers to run it. WE THE PEOPLE can do it for ourselves.

(By the way, I'm talking REVOTE not recount here - because in many counties, there is recorded vote to recount - just a total. The original votes have been erases, and only the out-of-whack totals remain.)

Somehow one person one vote has to be a part of this.

Maybe the way is to hand out the ballots again at the precinct, using registered voter lists and some sort of ID is required to get a ballot?

Print and sign your name on the ballot.

Include something else like your address or social security number.

Same as when you fill out a form in the Emergency Room or apply for a credit card.

Yes this isn't quite the "secrecy of the ballot" we're familiar with - but the vote-counters could be sworn to maintain confidentiality, same as doctors do with our medical records and banks do with our financial records.