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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:07 PM
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WAS IT HACKED? (Orlando Weekly)
Good story about voting irregularities.
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In 47 Florida counties, the number of presidential votes exceeded the number of registered voters. Palm Beach County recorded 90,774 more votes than voters and Miami-Dade had 51,979 more, while relatively honest Orange County had only 1,648 more votes than voters. Overall, Florida reported 237,522 more presidential votes (7.59 million) than citizens who turned out to cast ballots (7.35 million).

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<http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688>
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:09 PM
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1. There's got to be something wrong with that.
They must be missing 1) The provissional ballots and/or 2) Absentee ballots.

Neither would show up on the rolls as having voted (early or at the precinct), but the votes would be counted.

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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:10 PM
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2. Excellent article!
I've e-mailed the link to all my friends! Thanks
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chiffon Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:12 PM
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3. 47 counties?
Sounds like a very irregular election!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:21 PM
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4. That's what they say and they are in Florida
writing about it. Maybe the newspaper has been doing some digging too.
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:23 PM
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5. Well... not exactly.
The author lives in Los Angeles.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:24 PM
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7. Maybe there is an actual journalist working for that paper
We can only hope.
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chiffon Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:35 PM
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13. Great post! Thanks!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:23 PM
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6. Well, it's starting to seep out now
That's at least a positive sign.

I'm still emailing. Hope I'm not getting on any "lists" out there. If so, I'll smuggle you guys messages from the internment camp.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:24 PM
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8. Duplicate post - sorry n//t
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 02:25 PM by arnheim
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:26 PM
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9. thank you!
Great article and I've pased it along. :)
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:27 PM
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10. thank you!
Great article and I've pased it along. :)
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:29 PM
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11. thank you!
Great article and I've pased it along. :)
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:30 PM
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12. I guess you really thought so!
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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 02:53 PM
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14. While happy to see this article, and thanks for posting it, I believe
it is only an autopsy upon our democracy. Our votes will never again be counted reliably and no amount of postmortems will revive our cherished nation. Sorry for more bad news but I must recognize the obvious, the only place for the Constitution to survive will be in those States that secede. Flame away all you New Democrats, if you must, I'm too old and scarred not to recognize reality.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:04 PM
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15. "The Election Stolen?" (Milwaukee Weekly)
Milwaukee's largest weekly with a circulation of 72,000.

Was the Election Stolen?
By David Corn

Clear away the rhetoric, and what mostly remains are the odd early exit polls, troubling instances of bad electronic voting, and curious--or possibly curious--trends in Florida. This may be the beginning of a case; it is not a case in itself.
Before the vote-counting was done, the e-mails started arriving. The election's been stolen! Fraud! John Kerry won! In the following days, these charges flew over the Internet. The basic claim was that the early exit polls--which showed Kerry ahead of George W. Bush--were right; the vote tallies were rigged.

Could this be? Or have ballot booths with electronic voting machines become the new "grassy knoll" for conspiracy theorists?

Anyone who questioned the integrity of the nation's voting system--before the election or after--has had good reason to do so. Electronic voting that does not produce an auditable paper trail is worrisome--as is the possibility that the machines can be hacked. The proponents of these systems claim there are sufficient safeguards. But in this election there were numerous reports of e-voting gone bad. Votes cast for one candidate were registered for another. In Broward County, Fla., software subtracted votes rather than added them. In Franklin County, Ohio, an older electronic machine reported an extra 3,893 votes for Bush. Local election officials caught that error. But when I asked Peggy Howell, one of those officials, why the mistake occurred, she replied, "We really don't know." Were these errors statistically insignificant glitches that inevitably happen in any large system? "It gives us the uneasy feeling that we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg," Cindy Cohn of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is part of the Election Protection Coalition, told Reuters.

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Voter Beware

The skeptics--correct or not in their claims of fraud--are right to be concerned in general about the vote-counting system. Reps. John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler and Robert Wexler have asked the Government Accountability Office (formerly the General Accounting Office) to investigate the "voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election." Blackboxvoting.org--a group that has long decried electronic voting and now claims that "fraud took place in the 2004 election"--has filed Freedom of Information Act requests to obtain internal computer logs and other documents from 3,000 counties and localities, in an attempt to audit the election. The public does deserve any information that would allow it to evaluate vote-counting. Beyond that, extensive election reform is necessary. Electronic voting ought to produce a paper trail that can be examined. There should be national standards for voting systems and for verifying vote tallies. And vote counters should be nonpartisan public servants, not secretive corporations or party hacks. The system ought to be so solid that no one would have cause even to wonder whether an election has been stolen.

more...

http://www.shepherd-express.com/shepherd/25/47/cover_story.html

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