This isn't about miscounts or glitches, we're uncovering MASSIVE FRAUD!!

Keep in mind that we're not talking about a recount - we're talking about an intense CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION of one of the greatest crimes ever perpetrated in this country!! And as such - we surely cannot be bound to the same arbitrary deadlines and time constraints that mere recounts are subject to.

Just like any other elected official in this country, George W. Bush could assume his office and still be removed if it was discovered that he was put their by way of fraudulent, criminal conduct!

me up about it. And, oh, yeah, the Valerie Plame investigation too!

In areas that we are not sure of FRAUD but know it may exist because of the Univesities Stats - it will lead us to recount which may = FRAUD = PEOPLE GOING DOWN IN A BALL FLAMES!!!!

YEEEHAAAAWWWW!!!!

:D

a few articles about how there weren't significant changes as of late, but these were only the Diebold precincts, which I knew they wouldn't find anything. But, the other precincts, the optic scanner precincts, should be interesting. But, just haven't heard anything about it.

involved state-level races, NOT the recounts requested by Nader. That's a big difference. IMO they weren't monkeying around with state level races (yet, give 'em time to perfect their techniques).

Here's the link:

NO CHANGE in recount of NH PAPER and DIEBOLD Votes
(state level races recount)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=57276#57328
Link: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041117/NEWS02/111170049/-1/news



For those who want to keep up with such things, as well as news and dvelopments they may have missed:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223

presidential ones? I could have sworn they already have. But, hey if they haven't, I feel better about it!

I gave the links. A LOT of info is in there, organized by states. Your answer re both NH and OH are in there.

...office, does that mean Cheney (eeuw) is forced to come out from behind his puppet and be president? How does that work?

knowing what was happening, though, and without that, a rethug congress is unlikely to make him step down. But we can dream...

happened before - it is not addressed in the Constitution (Just re-read it last night to see what would happen) There has to be someone in a position such as the FBI or something that would work in our favor. I posted this on another board, but the current head of the FBI worked with Kerry in the past vs. the B*sh family empire in the BCCI case - I am hopeful that K/E will be able to get this man to help them now.

It's in this article on: http://www.alternet.org/election04/20268/

"The New York Fed — not Washington — also took action. It coordinated an action on the fourth of July weekend 1991 to shut BCCI down. And, finally, the DA’s investigation forced Washington to act, though it kept the case as limited as possible. Soon after, Assistant Attorney General Robert S. Mueller III (now head of the FBI) oversaw the indictment by a federal grand jury of Democratic influence-peddler and former Johnson Defense Secretary Clark Clifford and his protégé Robert Altman — the top officials of First American Bank — for misleading the Federal Reserve Board about BCCI's secret control of the bank and obstructing the Fed's inquiries into BCCI."

SCOTUS picked presidency - no matter how much fascist American television pleads with them to do so. They also begged/demanded that they elect Bush - twice - and the public DID NOT!!

case that it has been disenfranchised by fraud in other states? Should IT sue the machine makers like they did big tobacco? That is worth MORE than a governorship, Eliot Spitzer. At least to the free state of NY and country.

get a quick fix into the constitution to excuse him while they are in there rewriting the constitution so that foreign born citizens can run for President and removing the two term Presidential limits.

Anything can be fixed by destroying the constitution and when all you have are the "yes" men/women in the bubble, it is much easier to do.

This could end up a bigger deal than watergate before it is over with!

Nasty creep Arnie.

if you believe in the entity.

reply if there is a mistake you made. For instance, go back to your original reply where you typed Gold instead of God. Now, at the bottom of your message "box" where your message sits, there should be an "Edit" link. Click on it and you should be able to change it from Gold to God!

Just FYI! Welcome aboard! :toast:

Heigh ho, Silver.

that many Repukes on their side as they think. They just told the moderate Repukes to get out of the party. Moderate Repukes are still in Congress as well. Now, I'm not so sure that the moderate Repukes won't hesitate to get rid of the Chimp, maybe even help with Chimpeachment:


http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=18719&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Nixon comes off looking like a choir boy these days!

Nixon, the liar, the crook, the one with the secrets, the paranoia, the one these Repugs bragged about this year at the convention. Nixon looks great compared to this administration. The good news is that they are poised for a fall worse than Nixon. Imagine! Wouldn't that be the best thing ever.

thing, though, is we won't get a President Kerry--we'll get a President Cheney or Hastert. But at least the repugs will be so damaged, any Dem candidate should win in 2008.

Even if this doesn't lead to bush resigning, the accumulation of evidence that the vote was fraudulent can weaken bush politically. Right now, he's acting as if he's received an overwhelming mandate, and he feels no restraints. He's ready to go medieval in his second term. We need to at least weaken him politically to keep him from going too crazy.

is to see **sh and Co being led away from the W House in handcuffs!!!
I know its improbable -but hey I can still dream and pray.

Libby. The Valerie Plame case seems to be moving forward and the Repuketards didn't bet on Fitzgerald actually investigating the case! Chimp may not get involved with this scandal, but I'm sure Cheney will!

read anything new about it in a while. Did I miss something?

on the case.

anything less - not if we intend to ever be a democracy again!

1. Kerry wins election, inaugurated in January.

2. bush wins election, inaugurated in January, but resigns in disgrace as evidence of systemic fraud becomes overwhelming.

3. bush wins election, inaugurated in January, but evidence of fraud taints his presidency, and places political restraints on his ability to implement his policies.

4. bush wins election, inaugurated in January, evidence of fraud noticed only by leftwing Internet conspiracy nuts, who are placed in internment camps where they are properly re-educated.

up pressure from outside of the US. Also keep up pressure through International media. World says one big FUCK YOU bush when he asks to travel to meeting outside US borders.

it's our only hope (obi wan)...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x63777

:bounce:

with the Congress and Senate in his pocket? Never happen. Or worse, then we have Cheney!

And he goes down with Bush!

around it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x63844#63887


Not all of these Repukes are on Chimp's side as of late.

and he therefore, would NOT be a president who has to be impeached to be removed!

in the works? Please don't tease.

It is somewhere we've never been though...

in some county in Florida, can't remember the name. I always forget it, it starts with a V. She and her film crew found voter tapes thrown out in the trash that were the actual tapes on election night headed to the shredder. That right now is what I think the avalanche of proof is going to come from. When arrests are made, we are going to have some serious whistleblowers trying to save themselves by helping bring down others.

I'm just getting very anxious for something to break into the light of day in the nat'l media spotlight instead of on this board. Sometimes I feel like I'm marooned on an island with people who think they keep seeing ships in the distance.

This is my view: I feel that we are all watching a bad train wreck about to happen in slow motion but are helpless to stop it!

about the three Texas surgeons who were at the water cooler one day bragging about their skills?

First one says: I once re-attached seven fingers to the hands of a concert pianist injured in a car wreck. He went on to play a recital for the Queen of England.

Second one says: That's nothing. I once attended a gal seriously injured in a small plane crash. Three years after re-attaching her arms and a leg she went on to win two gold medals at the Olympics.

Third one says: I've got you both beat. I once worked on a guy who was high on cocaine and alcohol when he rode his horse into a Santa Fe train going 70 miles per hour. All I had to work with was the horse's ass and a cowboy hat. In 2000 he became president of the United States.

There were three doctors -- one from Paris, one from London and one from Crawford, TX.
The French doctor brags about a new operation he did and that the guy was out of the hospital and looking for a new job within two weeks.
The English doctor brags that he did a new heart transplant operation and the guy was out looking for a new job within a week.
Not to be outdone, the doctor from Crawford says I can beat both of you, I performed an operation on a guy with no brain and now the whole country is out looking for new jobs.

I can't wait for it to get here!

was talking about the dooming next 4 years. Were you talking about the fraud cover-up being exposed?

I agree, when it comes right down to jail time, I think all of the * hardliners will start squealing away.

Kerry on.

Rove couldn't do it all by himself, though I'm sure he did plenty!

Most likely, you're thinking of Volusia County, which includes Daytona.

Folks, like the rest of us, I am doing all I can do to expose this fraudulent election. However, I don't agree with making comparisons to Kennedy, Nixon or others in days gone by.

When these people seized power in 2000, their coup included wrapping up the corruption of the courts, silencing the media and gagging all effective opposition in Congress.

When Tom Daschle started calling loudly for an investigation of 9/11, Cheney called him and told him this wasn't a good idea. Within days, Daschle and several other Congresspeople got anthrax in their mail. They shut up. The 9/11 Commission leaves the biggest questions unanswered (see Michael Ruppert, "Crossing the Rubicon", for details.)

When Paul Wellstone stood up against the Iraq war, his plane went down in clear weather with an experienced pilot, and no credible explanation has ever been given for the crash. All excuses - such as poor weather or mechanical failure - have been debunked (again, see Ruppert.) As a result of that crash, the Senate stayed Republican. Ruppert says that he has on good authority that most members of Congress believe it was an assassination. Too many coincidences, timing too perfect.

There is nobody to force Bush to "resign in disgrace." There is nobody to "bring him down" or "take Jeb away in handcuffs." They have removed all checks and balances from our society. They have ensured that even internationally, they are beyond the reach of criminal courts and the law. No matter what other countries or the UN prove about this regime, they are powerless to act against it. How do you arrest somebody who is surrounded by nuclear weapons?

Fantasies about the American Revolution, or the French Revolution, or Pharoah's army drowning in the tide, are just that - fantasies. None of those emperors had nuclear weapons, or an Orwellian media at their disposal.

Kerry's problem is that he really does not grasp who he is dealing with. "On to 2008", he says. "I'm going to fight for change." He is living back in the 20th century. He knows not whereof he speaks.

Build your nest locally.

- Nina

Kerry not knowing who he is dealing with. After all, he is the one who brought down BCCI, which Chimp'pa Poppy Bush and his henchmen were implicated. I think he knows exactly who he is dealing with.

When Kerry got the nomination I was heartbroken because I was a solid Dean supporter - but today I read some stuff about the work Kerry has done over the years, and I realized he is the perfect one to be working against this Admin. I am ever hopeful he is looking into this behind the scences. Even if he doesn't get inaugurated on Jan. 20, I think he will expose the fraud.

...because Kerry HAD a record of going after Bush crimes and future FOX reporters like Oliver North.

If the FRAUD is big enough and loud enough then no matter who HE hides behind HE will GO DOWN!!!!

FBI/Jeff Fisher may the FRAUD we are waiting for.

KEEP DIGGING
KEEP PRAYING
PATIENCE

:D

Bush would have to resign if the shit really hits the fan with this!

Who is going to put these people in prison? Who is going to investigate them? These things don't happen automatically. The torture at Abu-Ghraib was outside the law. Bush v. Gore was outside the law. Cheney's dealings with Saddam, Bush's dealings with the Bin Ladens - all crooked. 9/11 - guilty as sin.

Any conviction, should some lower judge try it, can be appealed to his friends on the Supreme Court.

Even Nixon, Oliver North, et al. didn't go to jail. Ken Lay didn't go to jail. And now, a new Attorney General who brainstormed for Bush about how to get around the law so that he could get away with torture. Rooster is crowing, folks! Awaken!

And, I haven't been impressed with Kerry's AWOL. He has taken the money that we have forked over for our post-election protection, lawsuits and investigations, and refused to hand it over for these recounts and fraud audits. So we have to fork over some more now. He has decided to donate it to other Democrats who are running, as if they have fair elections to run in. As if Democrats will ever be able to gain a congressional or executive majority as long as the Republican machine is counting the votes!

and the $15 mill he's giving to the dems is from the primary - separate from the legal fund
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x999572

fraud does come up. From that letter today, it seems he may need that money to contest the election in certain states.

If nothing's been done about him so far nothing ever will be.

This idiot isn't above the law unless we allow him to be.

BushCo is not nearly as tough as they WISH they were!

that would negate the whole election. Then we go back to square one and Kerry wins. Anything gained by fraud is not legitimate.

Negated, (as well as his assumption of the office). He wouldn't be president - therefore, he would not need to be formally impeached.

Either this election was stolen and nothing will be done about it -- which will result in a police state probably headed towards a depression -- or the American people have gone insane. It's clear to me the situation has gotten out of control.

EXACTLY who he's dealing with! We've beaten them before - and we'll beat them again!

No one is comparing BushCO to Kennedy.

I'd love to believe you, but I've seen too many predictions in the progressive blogosphere over the last four years about how one scandal or another would bring the Chimp down. He's managed to escape every one of them. For the SCLM actually to run with this, they'll have to have proof so incontravertible that a small child could understand it (since that seems to approximate the media's collective mental capacity, no offense to small children intended).

I hope to God y'all are right, but I can see the bastards skating away from this one too. They own all the branches of government (not to mention the voting machines themselves) and the media are their lapdogs. Bush could be caught robbing a liquor store naked while high on crack accompanied by a teenage boy lover who turns out to be a high level Al Qaeda operative and they still wouldn't impeach him. (No doubt they'd talk about "rogue partisan prosecutors") ...

If they can't bring order to Iraq - how are they going to do in here - when there's proof that they've rigged our election?

the chuckles!! That was good!

Bush will fully serve his second term.

There's NOTHING anyone can do that will prevent this from happening. This government is above the law, they create their own (and ours) reality and has the Senate, the House, The Supreme Court and the Media on its side.

Do you think that a government that was cancerous enough to invade two countries (Iraq and Afghanistan) for phony reasons (and will invade Iran in 2005) will be brought down by this Bev Harris, whoever she might be? Stop hoping for the impossible.

Blatant proof of fraud already exists in Florida, New Mexico and Ohio. The media won't report it, the courts will dismiss it and the Republican congress will never investigate it.

Bad counting. Massive violations of the Voting Rights Act. Bad, bad voodoo. Nothing will be done about this. There is good news, though...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/09/nuclear.eu.fusion.reut/index.html

The Europeans are the most powerful people on earth and it's clear to me that they see Bush as a serious threat. The timing of this unilateral move is NOT a coincidence. Energy is their Achilles heel.

Expose it to the nation! Americans aren't going to accept it! They've gotten dumb, alright - but they're not THAT dumb! Afterall, they elected Gore and Kerry. They've rejected Bush, Rove & Co. twice. What are they gonna do? Shoot us all down with the National Guard? What National Guard? They're all in Iraq. One massive national strike will convince the corporate heads that run this country, that the nation will no longer accept a treasonous administration to govern them. Chaos will scare the shit out of them. Corporations did just fine under Clinton and they'll simply accept having to go back to the other party. Cheney and Rumsfeld are cowards.

Gyre

It gave me the willies and I’ve been spellbound half the night reading it!

<http://www.blackboxvoting.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.c... >

PLEASE! Somebody please start a new topic for me (since I can’t yet).


Don’t be put-off by the title of the subject -- start closer to the bottom with yesterday's and today’s posts -- the thread is actually about researching and discovering all the ties between the usual suspects of VoterGate:

• Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia
• CyberNET group (raided by FBI today)
• Linux and SourcePlus
• ChoicePoint (the felon rolls of Florida)
• the Gutierrez family and other shady characters

These people are getting CLOSE!

Finding the "how" becomes much easier once you know the "who" and the "what".

If and when these companies/people are all tied together -- IT WILL BE THE SMOKING GUN, the Theory of Everything.

I found it in my dumpster yesterday - send me money right away if you want me to eventually make a movie about it and then tell you what it is -- tho it may turn out to be nothing, at least you will have spent enough money (keep it coming) to make yourself feel empowered for a little bit..

:)

has anyone been watching the senate? some real big crap going on. The republicans tried to pass a law that they could invade anyones tax return for any reason. Thank god for our Democrats finding this barred in a stake of over 3000 paper bill. Shame on the republicans.

just a thought or something.

that got in this time by cheating, too. My .02 $

This lady is for real, please check out some of the links for stories she has written:


A CRY FOR HELP FROM BATTLE-STATION NEVADA
Patricia Axelrod
paxelrod1675@yahoo.com
20 Nov 4
http://lmno4p.org/nevada

From: patricia axelrod
Subject: A CRY FOR HELP FROM BATTLE-STATION NEVADA, Patricia Axelrod 775 787-1909

I am still battling alone here in Nevada...can you assist in any way...I intend to go to court on Monday ask for a temporary restraining order to stop Nevada State Secretary of State from submitting their 'final' tally to the Nevada Supreme Court to be accepted. Thereafter the results will be forwarded to
the US Senate as Nevada's final tally. I have been begging Black Box Vote to help with money or lawyer power...the lawyer power came to late for me to contest the election and their money to file has not been forthcoming. Now the only legal option that I have is to stymie or at the least sully the process and outcome here in Nevada. Briefly the Nevada Secretary of State has denied me access to all abstracts/voter statements other than the very cursory data which is on their website. I have been met with outright hostility from the Washoe County Registrar Dan Burke, who told me to "behave myself" when I asked him questions about the county process and final tallys. When I insisted upon explanations he threatened to have me thrown out of the office which means that I would have been arrested. His direct words were "shut up and get out or I'll have you thrown out" by police force.

Despite their best efforts to contain me I have obtained a copy of the Washoe County Abstract/Voter Statement and it is very obvious that Washoe and the State of Nevada are playing fast and loose with the vote tally. There are at least 2400 votes unaccounted for with no under vote indicated on the tally to adjust for missing numbers. There are a number of other mysterious disappearances of vote to include a total category of voters whose vote was not entered
into the final tally. The list of wrongdoings is extraordinary here because there is no oversight at all. I'm it. Please help if you can...I need about $500.00 or at the least $300.00 for filing and service fees. I can do this on Monday pro se. Will you help...can you raise money in any way.

PS: Should the Secretary of State provide any documentation they have told me that I shall be charged one dollar per page as punishment for "calling them liars" meaning that I have had the audacity to ask questions. Anyone who asks them questions is calling them liars apparently.

PPS: Despite Black Box Vote inability to help out here in Nevada I bless them for any and all efforts they have made and I sure you do as well. They're doing a brilliant job in Florida and I am sure that if they had resources to spare they would have shared.

PPS: Washoe County Nevada is quite important in the grand scheme of electoral politics. Clark County (Las Vegas et al) and Washoe (Reno et al) together make up three quarters of the Nevada vote. Clark has gone for Kerry... WE need Washoe and we win Nevada...Please Help...contribute what you can in the name of priceless victory.

PLEASE POST THIS EMAIL AS YOU CAN TO ANY OR ALL WEB SITES

Operation Desert Sham and Clean lies, dirty wars
http://www.newsreview.com/issues/reno/auth...iciaaxelrod.asp

On the road to Kosovo http://agitprop.org.au/stopnato/19991005du2.php

This HERO is a Villain!
http://www.peacemagazine.org/archive/v06n2p23.htm

Laura Flanders (Yes! our AAR Laura Flanders) wrote an article for The Nation on Gulf War Syndrome in March 1994. The article mentions and quotes Patricia Axelrod:QUOTE
Patricia Axelrod, a weapons specialist with a ten-year history of writing and research, dedicated part of a $60,000 MacArthur Foundation grant to a study of the diseases contracted by Desert Storm survivors.

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Birth defects are also associated with the use of live, recombinant DNA contained in the anti-anthrax vaccine administered to soldiers. Patricia Axelrod says, "Desert Storm medical personnel warned people taking the vaccine against having a child for three to four years."

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The federal government has refused to acknowledge research like Axelrod's, though numerous federal agencies have agreed to hold hearings on the veterans situation. Meanwhile, people are without any diagnoses that could aid treatment.

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Axelrod, who witnessed some of the cleanup in the gulf, does not preclude the possibility that the Iraqis released chemical or biological agents, but she raised another possibility that, given recent revelations of the history of drug testing, also cannot be discounted. "The U.S. had a perfect proving ground, a perfect enemy and a perfect living laboratory for testing new vaccines that we need for our own biological weapons industry. It's part of the Department of Defense's scheme to relinquish responsibility. If you're only concerned about dollars and cents, It's cheapest to have hearings until every last vet is dead."
http://www.mindfully.org/Health/Mal-de-Gue...uerre7mar94.htm

There's alot more on google... She looks serious to me. I'm going to donate, but it would be great if she could get some more help on the ground.