Republicans, Justice Dept Gear Up To Steal Votes. PREORDAINED!

Holy sh*t! I ran into this while I was doing research on my mass MSM email project.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x62912

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http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3142vote_stealing.html

10-29 In the wake of an unprecedented voter-registration drive conducted by civil rights organizations, local Democratic Party activists and others—on a scale not seen since the 1960s—Republican Party officials, in league with John Ashcroft's Justice Department, are stepping up their counter-campaign to intimidate potential voters and to suppress the vote among minorities on Nov. 2.

In an election already tainted by the widespread use of fraud-prone computerized voting, Republican dirty tricks combined with Justice Department organized intimidation, indicate that the chaos on Nov. 2 could dwarf what occurred in Florida in the 2000 elections.
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Provisional Voting

As we have previously reported, the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, under the direction of Attorney General John Ashcroft, has virtually ceased enforcing voting rights and protecting access to the ballot box; instead it has launched criminal investigations into voter registration in a number of states. It plans on deploying hundreds, if not thousands, of voting "monitors" and Federal prosecutors on Election Day.
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DOJ `Woefully Unprepared'

A reflection of how Ashcroft has abandoned any enforcement of voter rights, came when Reps. John Conyers (the senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee) and Henry Waxman (the senior Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee), released a report which they had requested from the Government Accountability Office (GAO), as to the ability of the Department of Justice to respond to complaints of voting irregularities.
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<This section I found "surprising" to say the least:>
Kerry Won't Repeat Gore's Errors

Both parties are already preparing tens of thousands of lawyers to monitor the Nov. 2 elections, and to file lawsuits contesting the outcome. The Kerry campaign has reportedly mobilized at least 10,000 lawyers for Election Day, and is already filing pre-emptive actions in many states against Republican dirty tricks and vote-suppression operations, and also for the purpose of establishing a firm grounding for any needed post-election legal challenges.
<This doesn't jive with: "Kerry Lawyer says they weren't trained to LOOK FOR FRAUD"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x53645
If they knew it was coming, why weren't they prepared?>

They are as crooked as they come and if an honest person was there he or she would be purged.......LONG LIVE ELECTION CRIME UNDER BUSH.....THAT "dip-wad" is going down with a loud thump........

"If they kenw it was coming, why weren't they prepared"


Another question we will never have an answer for.

They said they should have brought computer technicians in, lawyers wouldn't be able to detect computer fraud. That's what they said. Basic reading comprehension. Are schools really that bad these days???

White House Warns Ukraine to Guard Voting

Thu Nov 18, 7:33 PM ET White House - AP


By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

KILLEEN, Texas - Three days before the presidential election in Ukraine, the White House said Thursday the initial round of voting did not meet a "basic test" of a truly democratic process and that the government should ensure Sunday's balloting is better.

"The people of Ukraine ... have the right and deserve the opportunity to make their choice freely, without intimidation or fear, from outside or within," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said in a statement.

What a bunch of arrogant bastards!!!

This has what to do with Democratic lawyers and voting machines???

That they needed computer technicians? Gee, maybe they never looked at an Evoting machine before the election? Ah, come on! :eyes:

Maybe they thought that having lawyers observing the voting would be enough to keep anybody from tampering with machines. Regardless, report the facts, don't misconstrue them.

It is very obvious, the Dems anticipated vote fraud, yet they didn't prepare themselves for it. That's the facts whether you like it or not.

Also: "thought that having lawyers observing the voting would be enough to keep anybody from tampering with machines." Anyone that was aware of the potential for Evoting fraud knew the vote would be hacked internally in the machines (out of anyones sight). Watch a good doc like "Invisible Ballots" and then you'll know what you are talking about.

Is not about machines. It's about the kind of voter problems the lawyers were sent to deal with. Then you use a statement the lawyers made about the machines to insinuate they weren't prepared to deal with the voter problems in your own post. THEN you pretend your post was about machines when it wasn't.

The best computer tech in the world could stand in a precinct and not know voting fraud was taking place. The poll books, the number of voters, challenges, provisionals, and votes; all have to be taken together. After the irregularities are found, by lawyers, then the computer techs might have a job to do on particular machines. Besides the fact, it's not only the Democratic Party who was monitoring the vote. Lots of groups were. Why doesn't anybody rag on them for not having computer techs?

The Dems had the resources and the vested interest.

Look it's real simple. They knew vote fraud was a real risk. (one Dem Rep even tried to get it on the DNC convention agenda). Anyone who studied the situation knew the likelihood the greatest threat (Evoting) would be internal. So if you guard against vote fraud, you guard against All forms you know about. The Dems had the money and the most to lose. Plain and simple, they let us down - they definitely "dropped the ball" on this issue.

Also, my original post is not about machines? "In an election already tainted by the widespread use of fraud-prone computerized voting...". I think your intent on just seeing the "tail", and not the whole elephant.

That's just 4 groups, Moveon, MediaFund, America Coming Together, American Family Voices. I wish I could remember the name of the group created just to watch the vote, I have no idea how much they collected. There have been numerous computer scientists from all over the country looking at these machines and they haven't discovered an incident of actual machine tampering. I don't see how you expect a computer tech standing in a precinct to do it. If the lawyers find the irregularities that point to something fraudulent in the machines, that's when they'll bring in the computer techs.

They needed to ck for "legimate certification, etc. If you watch, Invisible ballots, everywhere but fla, and even to a lesser degree Votergate (free online) you will have a much better idea what's going on with this.

Most importantly, the Dems dropped the ball by not forcing the advocated controls such as verified paper trail, random audits, open source code. They should have made this their NUMBER ONE PRIORITY - they knew better because they got burned horribly in Georgia in 2002. And they are responsible, not MoveOn, etc. Afterall, they are the lawmakers - the other groups can only assist. Since they didn't do this, they wasted all of our time, as far as the 2004 election is concerned. And, if they don't do it now, before 2006, its all over. The GOP will have perm control of the vote. HAVA has mandated that ALL voting must be electronic by 2006. So bye-bye democracy if this isn't handled since only 5 senate seats stands between their total, and most likely permanent control. History will look back and say the Dems didn't stand up when they needed to, and let the highjacked GOP take away our democracy.

Just fell off the turnip truck yesterday. I have a real shocking idea for you, what if there IS NO CONSPIRACY!!! Then what???? What if these people are actually honorable and we JUST LOST. Hmmm????

Innocent until proven guilty. That is the place a lawmaker has to proceed from. Guess what. There's NO evidence of fraud. After all this time from all these groups examining machines and code and manufacturers, NO evidence fraud was ever committed. NONE. So maybe you ought to spend some time learning about the judicial process and what goes on with it.

Ah.. you finally reveal your TRUE AGENDA. You have wasted my time. Either you do not live in the real world, or most likely, you are something much worse. This does not deserve any further response.

btw: I'm saving the link to your last post, and if I see you pulling the same bullsh*t in other threads, I'll post it right under you and title it "sandnsea's real agenda", and let the readers decide weather you are worth responding to.

I suggest anyone else that reads this do the same so sandnsea doesn't waste anyone elses time. This person should not be taken seriously.

Just pointing out a possibility. Really really lousy machines, the whole lot of them.

My point to you is that rational people proceed from a place of law. They consider all possibiliites because that's what would happen in a court of law, all possibilities would be presented. To date, no tampering has been found on any machine in any of the elections investigated. A computer tech standing in a precint would not be able to find it either.

I really don't care how people take me here, I never have. But if I can make one person think before they open their mouth, one person be conscientious in the way they talk about voting machine problems or anything else, then I'm a happy camper. Our election system is a disaster and if the whole thing gets ignored in the end because it was all just conspiracy theory crackpots, then that will be a tragedy.

You ought to start with yourself. You really ought to think before you open your mouth - but I wonder if your capable of it. I think this is your main probem - as I look at the blatent inconsistancies in your series of posts. Whether you can help yourself or not, you are obviously a time-wasting baiter.

Good-bye

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Is that better?

Where have you been these last 18 days? You must have missed all the posts about the "Voting irregularities" (as if the voting process were constipated. Just irregularities, not fraud.)

I have counted over 200 verifiable instances where the "unofficial count" was found to be in error. Not to mention the statistical analysis (which is used by auditors everywhere to find where numbers are manipulated) that points to glaring problems. And all this happened just because a few good people made a mistake. All theses minor glitches occurred in favor of B*sh just by chance.

Where have you been?

No evidence of a conspiracy to commit fraud with electronic voting. None. Zero. Zip. I wish there were, I hope it's found. But none has been found and people have been looking at various elections for 2 years now. What if these are just really lousy machines?

than this "case".

Looking at facts. Maybe Youuuuuuu should spend some time reading Bev's reports of thrown out signed tapes with tallies showing hundreds more votes for Kerry than were in the end results.

Maybe youuuuuu can explain why nobody's been arrested.

any thing off that site. Larouche! Ha. Give me a break.

So the source of the article is no longer relevant since the things they predicted came to pass.

Didcrediting the source does nt dicredit the facts. Remember, this is exactly what MSM tries to do to ALL info from DU. They will search for a really "far out" post, and try to discredit the entire board.

is that La Rouche found some truth probably from someone else's work and is now trying to use it for his own gain. That is if it is true. BTW if Ashcroft was doing all this great work for Bush why did Bush can him?
La Rouche has been trying to undermine the Democratic Party for years.
That is his agenda. No trust for this site. Ever.:puke:

Remember, it was written and published BEFORE the election. As far as Ashcroft goes, who knows? Maybe the little "torture mongerer" that's replacing him will make a better image? And larouche in general? Being a true independent, I will continue to look at, and compare to other info, ALL sources of info. (Maybe he's doing "something right". DeLay lumped him and Kos together shortly before the election. If Delay doesn't like ya, that's not so bad. ;~} )

This has made my fully certain now, that there is much more we dont know about going on.

Kerry is no Hack! He was a prosecuter. His best achievments in the Senate were uncovering high level, secret conspiracies.

Think about it. Say YOU we're on the Dem ticket for Prez, and despite all efforts, there is still too many places with likelyhood of fraud. Who would you go talk to, (out of anybody you wanted) to get advice on how to get those SOBs?

John Kerry would really be a guy I'd go see.

(Maybe this is why they wanted Kerry to run in the first place? nah)

Too Hollywood? Well, maybe this is that "Hollywood left agenda" they always talk about.


(I do want to go on record as saying, however, that even if Shrub only got 50 million votes - It is still a sign that America and specifically the DEMOCORATS have big F*cking Problems! If you really believe in democracy, and the people aren't on your side, you can only blame (and change) yourself. The left doesnt have to move right, it just has to start making its case)

I like that! And welcome!