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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:58 PM
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Ohio can CHANGE pollbooks & summary sheets?

§ 3505.32. Canvass of returns.

(A) Except as otherwise provided in division (D) of this section, not earlier than the eleventh day or later than the fifteenth day after a general or special election or, if a special election was held on the day of a presidential primary election, not earlier than the twenty-first day or later than the twenty-fifth day after the special election, the board of elections shall begin to canvass the election returns from the precincts in which electors were entitled to vote at that election. It shall continue the canvass daily until it is completed and the results of the voting in that election in each of the precincts are determined.

The board shall complete the canvass not later than the date set by the secretary of state under division (U) of section 3501.05 of the Revised Code. Sixty days after the date set by the secretary of state for the completion of the canvass, the canvass of election returns shall be deemed final, and no amendments to the canvass may be made after that date. The secretary of state may specify an earlier date upon which the canvass of election returns shall be deemed final, and after which amendments to the final canvass may not be made, if so required by federal law.

(B) The county executive committee of each political party, each committee designated in a petition nominating an independent or nonpartisan candidate for election at an election, each committee designated in a petition to represent the petitioners pursuant to which a question or issue was submitted at an election, and any committee opposing a question or issue submitted at an election that was permitted by section 3505.21 of the Revised Code to have a qualified elector serve as a witness during the counting of the ballots at each polling place at an election may designate a qualified elector who may be present and may witness the making of the official canvass.

(C) The board shall first open all envelopes containing uncounted ballots and shall count and tally them.

In connection with its investigation of any apparent or suspected error or defect in the election returns from a polling place, the board may cause subpoenas to be issued and served requiring the attendance before it of the election officials of that polling place, and it may examine them under oath regarding the manner in which the votes were cast and counted in that polling place, or the manner in which the returns were prepared and certified, or as to any other matters bearing upon the voting and the counting of the votes in that polling place at that election.

Finally, the board shall open the sealed container containing the ballots that were counted in the polling place at the election and count those ballots, during the official canvass, in the presence of all of the members of the board and any other persons who are entitled to witness the official canvass.

(D) Prior to the tenth day after a primary, general, or special election, the board may examine the pollbooks, poll lists, and tally sheets received from each polling place for its files and may compare the results of the voting in any polling place with the summary statement received from the polling place. If the board finds that any of these records or any portion of them is missing, or that they are incomplete, not properly certified, or ambiguous, or that the results of the voting in the polling place as shown on the summary statement from the polling place are different from the results of the voting in the polling place as shown by the pollbook, poll list, or tally sheet from the polling place, or that there is any other defect in the records, the board may make whatever changes to the pollbook, poll list, or tally sheet it determines to be proper in order to correct the errors or defects.


HISTORY: GC § 4785-152; 113 v 307(378), § 152; 122 v 325(355); Bureau of Code Revision, 10-1-53; 125 v 903(998); 129 v 1569 (Eff 10-12-61); 138 v H 1062 (Eff 3-23-81); 140 v S 79 (Eff 7-4-84); 145 v S 150 (Eff 12-29-93); 146 v H 99 (Eff 8-22-95); 149 v H 5. Eff 8-28-200

http://www.onlinedocs.andersonpublishing.com
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:05 PM
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1. Pollworkers please respond
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 02:06 PM by sandnsea
That's a good find. Hope we get some information from some pollworkers on what the hell this means.
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:16 PM
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3. Y'know, it occurs to me
that the best way to protect our voting rights in the future would be to become poll workers, judges, and, most importantly, Board of Elections workers.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:20 PM
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5. We could own the E-voting Co.s
nt
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:25 PM
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6. Y'know, not a bad thought
Hi all,

Here, here. We should become poll workers and board of elections supervisors; the judgships though.... well, maybe sometime after law school.

In any case, this is not a bad thought. For those of us that can't sleep with the thought of vote tampering, or at its most innocent, gross failure of election systems, we should recognize the value of providing this service to our community in a fair, accurate and transperent manner.

Good luck to everyone in getting appointed by '06.

Warmly,

George
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:47 AM
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11. Excellent suggestion..
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 09:47 AM by Junkdrawer
:thumbsup:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:15 PM
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2. To me it is very ambiguous
Looks like they can make whatever changes they want to the poll records as long as they deem it "proper".
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witchhazl Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:12 PM
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4. Yes, this is scary.
I just caught on to this problem in another thread about Ohio lawyers challenging election results.
The Cleveland Plain Dealer carried the story, with this comment from the Secretary of State's Office:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=65619&mesg_id=65619


>LoParo said the canvass includes precinct-level auditing of results, poll book reviews, provisional-ballot verification and an actual recount of all ballots cast on Election Day.<

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/110094683912880.xml

Now I know from your post (where'd you find it? how'd you know to look?--great work) that we have legal entitlements to be represented in the canvass, and I hope to God someone's using them. Cause it sure looks otherwise like they can change pretty much anything they want.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:56 PM
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7. It doesn't say there is legal representation at that point
It says during the canvass. This particular item, (D), appears to include the BoE but not necessarily an outside representative. Meaning, they could PRIVATELY alter pollbooks, tally sheets, etc. and WHO would know but them?
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:33 AM
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8. Yeah I read in another Ohio election law that if the poll book

did not match the ballot count, they had to write an explaination in the poll book!!!!

"Like we have a 400 more votes than voters, we are just going to explain it now."

Not very comforting.

This law allowing unlimited altering poll books can be challanged on the grounds that it violates Equal Protection, voting rights, public policy etc.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:50 AM
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9. I read that as well
What a steaming load--the judge can decide whether the explanation is satisfactory, apparently.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 07:50 AM
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10. While we were sleeping, body snatchers took over our government...
And their first order of business was to pass laws making it illegal to expose body snatchers.

What a surprise!
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