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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:36 PM
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Ohio Presidential Results to be Challenged In state supreme court
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/899

Ohio Presidential Results to be Challenged
by Steven Rosenfeld
November 20, 2004

Ohio’s 2004 presidential vote will be challenged as soon as next week in the state Supreme Court, a coalition of public-interest lawyers announced Friday.

The lawyers have taken sworn testimony from hundreds of people in hearings in Columbus and Cincinnati, and will use excerpts as well as documents obtained from county election officials and Election Day exit polls to make a case that thousands of votes were incorrectly counted or not counted on Election Day.

“The objective is to get to the truth,” said Columbus Ohio lawyer Cliff Arnebeck, coordinator of the Ohio Honest Elections Campaign. “What’s critically important, whether it’s President Bush or Sen. Kerry, whoever’s been elected actually elected, is to know you won by an honest election. So it’s in the interest of both sides as American citizens to know the truth and have this answered.”

The challenge comes as the Green Party has plans to file for a recount of the state’s 2004 presidential vote. The Green Party and the Ohio Honest Elections Campaign both believe the unofficial results announced on Election Day were wrong. Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has not yet certified the Nov. 2 vote. The state’s election law says an election challenge must show the wrong candidate was been declared the winner, or it can be dismissed without a hearing. The state Supreme Court’s chief justice hears the case.

The Ohio Republican Party dismissed the challenge on Friday, the Associated Press reported, but the coalition announcing it said they were ready to litigate.

“The sworn statements that we’ve received should give everyone cause to go forward in terms of this inquiry,” said Robert Fitrakis, a lawyer, political science professor at Columbus State Community College, and editor at www.freepress.org, at the announcement.

The ‘Ohio Honest Election Campaign' is a coalition of public-interest groups and citizens interested in free and fair elections. The three lawyers announcing the challenge are associated with a variety of established groups. Arnebeck is the counsel for Common Cause’s Ohio chapter and The Alliance for Democracy. Attorney Susan Truitt is with Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections-Ohio, www.caseohio.org. The boards of groups have not yet formally endorsed the election challenge but are expected to do so in coming days.

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machiado Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:47 PM
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1. Great!
I hope this gets some action.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:56 PM
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2. YESSSSSSSSS!!
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:02 PM
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3. WELL DONE!
Sorry, i am new to discussion groups, so could someone tell me what <n/t> means?
many thanks,
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:03 PM
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4. nt =
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 06:03 PM by Broken Acorn
no text in the message.
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:06 PM
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5. ok, tks, n/t
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:06 PM
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6. Is The Ohio State Supreme Court Predominently Republican?...
...because face it. That can make a difference whether or not any case is heard.

The Republicans have learned through their Messiah, Pres. Reagan, to never speak evil about a fellow Republican--a Nazi-style rule if I've ever heard one!
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:40 PM
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7. I was wondering about the same thing, BlueCali...
Does anyone know the makeup of the Ohio Supreme Court? Where their allegiance lies would make all the difference in the world whether this will make any difference at all, IMO. Hopefully, there are still a few justices out there with honor and integrity?

Surely these attorneys have taken this point into consideration before they chose to take this action. (?) But I still would like to know something about the political makeup of this court. (And yeah, I could go research this myself, but I am short on time today, and am hoping that someone here already knows and can post it.)
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blitzburgh55 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:45 PM
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8. Here are the justices
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senegal1 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 07:12 PM
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10. Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Ohio
ADDRESS:

Supreme Court of Ohio
65 South Front Street
Columbus, Ohio 43215-3431

The Chief Justice is Thomas Moyer and from this speech it sounds like it might be possible to get a decent hearing... He seems to care about justice...


Chief Justice Thomas J. Moyer
House Testimony-State Government
Nov. 4, 2004

Chairman Carmichael, members of the committee ... thank you for providing me this opportunity to testify in support of the adoption of SB 214.

I come here to ask for your vote ... your vote for a judiciary that all citizens see as fair and impartial. I ask for your vote to remove the taint of secretive campaign donations; a vote for clean campaigns that enhance the rule of law.

When I testified in support of Senate Bill 214 on March 31, the candidates for the Supreme Court could only hope that we would not experience a repeat of the campaigns of 2000 and 2002.

Ohio voters were granted a reprieve this year from the damaging third party campaigns of those elections. Attack ads were kept to a minimum, and unregulated ads were positive by comparison to the last four years.

We can hope this is the beginning of a new trend, but the 2004 campaign might best be described as a vacation ... a momentary break from the expensive and distasteful campaigns of recent years.

We can hope, but I am not certain that “hope is on the way.”

There is little evidence to suggest that we have permanently removed anonymous contributions and the corresponding advertisements from judicial campaigns.

Unregulated ads in other states were prominent in 2004.

Putting aside the legal arguments, the General Assembly should make it clear, as described in Senate Bill 214, that any entity that is not affiliated with a candidate should be required to report the same information as reported by the candidate's committee.

A survey released earlier this year indicates that an overwhelming majority of U.S. citizens would like to know who is paying for television advertisements in judicial campaigns.

A nationwide survey conducted for the non-partisan campaign monitoring group, Justice At Stake, found that 82 percent of respondents support full disclosure.

That is a margin of six to one for those who favor the type of disclosure contained in the legislation before you today.

In recent Supreme Court races in Ohio, information has been manipulated by groups promoting agendas that are not in the best interest of an impartial and independent judiciary, and not consistent with the messages produced by the candidates.

They conflict with the fundamental principles that distinguish the American system of justice from so many in the world.

When an advertisement attacks a judge on a legal issue, when an advertisement suggests a certain judge will produce a certain decision, the message to the public is that judges are not expected to be impartial.

The most damaging ads have been paid for by groups unaffiliated with the candidates. Some of those entities believe they are not required to publicly disclose their donors.

It seems that the less we know about the sponsors, the more provocative the advertisement.

Justice At Stake found that four out of five ads paid for by a candidate's campaign were positive, while special interest ads were negative nearly half the time.

Senate Bill 214 would reduce the anonymity that seems to encourage, if not promote, these harmful advertisements.

This bill would not infringe on the first amendment rights to free speech, but it would allow voters to know who is delivering the message. The legislation would not limit the message, but it would expand the information available to the public.

There is reason to conclude from the Supreme Court opinion in McConnell, that SB 214 does not create an unconstitutional imbalance between the regulation of fundraising for electronic messages and all others.

In the challenge to the McCain-Feingold law, the U.S. Supreme Court dismissed issues of equal protection ... citing “real world differences” between political parties and interest groups.

I have long believed that every financial supporter of a campaign to elect or defeat a candidate should be publicly known.

I called on the Ohio House and Senate to require disclosure in judicial campaigns in my State of the Judiciary address to the General Assembly in March 2001, and in a speech the day after the 2002 general election.

More recently, I sent a letter to many of you after the United States Supreme Court upheld a similar provision in the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act.

Full disclosure also was a recommendation of the participants at the forum on judicial independence held in March 2003. Members of the General Assembly participated in the all-day discussion with judges, citizen groups, labor and business leaders, as well as the leaders of the state political parties.

It was an historic moment when such a diverse group supported many of the same goals.

Through its rule making authority, the Supreme Court has taken steps to lessen the impact that contributions have on judicial campaigns.

In 1995 the Court worked in conjunction with the General Assembly to establish limits on judicial campaign contributions.

Last year the court raised the contribution limits to make them identical to those applicable to legislative and statewide candidates.

I strongly urge the leaders and members of the Ohio House of Representatives to act in a timely manner. An editorial that appeared in the Gannet newspapers in Ohio sends the clear message that timeliness is critical to the continued independence of the court. The editorial concluded: “It is time to let the sun shine on Supreme Court campaign ads.”

If we are to continue to elect the justices of the Supreme Court, we must remove the ability of the supporters of unauthorized campaigns to hide from their message.

The belief is that if all who contribute are publicly identified, the message is likely to be more responsible.

President Thomas Jefferson firmly believed in the competition of ideas, and recognized that democracy requires a well informed electorate.

In September 1820 Jefferson wrote this to a friend:

“I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.”
Today in Ohio , informed discretion will lead to informed, engaged citizens. But we must provide them the tools, the information they so rightly deserve. A law requiring full disclosure will provide a bright light for the voters of Ohio.

I ask for your vote on legislation that will give Ohio voters the information they so rightly deserve.
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senegal1 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:51 PM
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12. Justices on the Ohio Supreme Court
Justice Maureen O'Connor
Supreme Court of Ohio
65 South Front Street
Columbus, Ohio 43215-3431
614.387.9060 (phone)

Justice Alice Robie Resnick
Supreme Court of Ohio
65 South Front Street, 9th Floor
Columbus, Ohio 43215-3431
614.387.9040 (phone)
614.387.9049 (fax)

Evelyn Lundberg Stratton
Supreme Court of Ohio
65 South Front Street, 9th Floor
Columbus, Ohio 43215-3431
Ph: (614) 387-9050 Fax: (614) 387-9059

Francis E. Sweeney Sr.
CONTACT INFORMATION
Supreme Court of Ohio
65 South Front Street
Columbus, Ohio 43215-3431
614.387.9070
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 06:45 PM
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9. Does anyone know if video or tv cameras are allowed in Ohio's Supreme CT
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 07:39 PM
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11. C-Span would be nice n/t
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:07 PM
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13. Votes should go for the candidate(s) they were intended for
In addition, if the leaders in Ohio are paying attention to what is coming down the pike for their citizens, they will do the ethical thing and allow it to happen.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:11 PM
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14. Ohio Supreme Court
Maureen O'Connor Republican
Alice Robie Resnick Democrat
Evelyn Lundberg Stratton Republican
Thomas J. Moyer Republican
Paul E. Pfeifer Republican
Terrence O'Donnell Republican
Francis E. Sweeney Sr. Republican
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