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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 03:55 PM Original message |
ASSUME WE FLIP A COIN 50 TIMES... |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. They told me there wouldn't be any math. n/t |
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jdog (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you! for simplifying this for me. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. That's why exit polls should not be released |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. I heard that also |
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Degeezer (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. I suppose it depends on the poll takers |
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jdog (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. But for it to break so consistently for Bush |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. What if everywhere in the nation |
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electropop2 (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. angry old white men are not a new phenomenon |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Exit polls have always been accurate to within 1%. Until Bush. |
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Degeezer (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I have seen reports |
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electropop2 (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. The "corrected" exit polls match the tabulations... |
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BlueDog2u (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I deleted this post. |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. One problem with that theory... |
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electropop2 (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Why would repuke and dem pollsters both cook the books? |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Repuke & Dem? It was a media-hired firm. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. NOT TRUE |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
92. This is not true. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. I see exit poll numbers: but no source. |
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lizzieforkerry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. I am pretty sure the poll takers were professionals |
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electropop2 (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. The poll takers were seasoned professionals |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
94. Again, not true |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
121. Got it! |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. Once in Vegas I saw a 25 spin streak of "red" on a roulette wheel |
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Rumba (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Not 50% |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. You're right, I forgot about the green. |
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GAspnes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. You might enjoy participating in this discussion too |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
66. Old news |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
12. Just an aside. . . |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Remember Brando in Streetcar? Stella, Stella... |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. Oh sheesh |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. Stella, are you related to Tennessee Williams? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ho Hum |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Why is it only when Bush runs, Exit Polling is "Garbage In, Garbage Out" |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Response |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Nederland, you are WRONG again. The company just changed it's name. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Response |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
19. That assumes the chaces are 50-50 for each state. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Show us historical evidence of exit poll "error". |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. 2000 & 2002 would have been my "sources" |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
95. Here |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. There are two options; either the polls were flawed or the tally |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Berkley's work is not sufficient. Their gap was like 1% |
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nmoliver (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
26. Another way to look at the exit poll anomalies |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
27. Of Course It's Not Due to Chance |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. It's NOT all the info. What about the deviations being BEYOND the MOE |
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Shalom (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Good Corrections, But Makes the Case Even Stronger |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. What I'm Saying Is: It's a Straw Man Argument |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
96. ditto |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Dupe |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. You need to reevaluate "MOE" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
38. Your analysis is based on a flawed assumption |
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IAMREALITY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The coin flip |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. My remarks were addressed to TruthIsAll |
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IAMREALITY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Nope |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
100. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Deleted message |
foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:30 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. "disciplined" |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:49 AM Response to Reply #41 |
107. "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." -Samuel Johnson |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. No, we don't. I know no one on DU. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Nice dodge but still no response to my critique of your methodology |
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IAMREALITY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Interesting |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Burden of proof |
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IAMREALITY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I'll Repeat |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Gee, IAMREALITY |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Deleted message |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. It's more entertaining to watch TIA shout "WRONG" to every criticism |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. You're saying that calling me "Sean" isn't taunting? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. How about if I call you "TruthIsAll's Lapdog" or just 'Dog for short? |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:53 AM Response to Reply #87 |
108. that's unnecessary |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
86. Calling me "Sean" isn't taunting? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I don;t think he is trying to get your goat here. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Not at all. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Sorry. Undecided votes swing to the challenger. Kerry 51-48. |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Again that is based on a probability |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. It's based on historical statistics. Where are your facts? |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #93 |
105. the fact is, one firm's polling statistics aren't facts |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:14 AM Response to Reply #105 |
111. You have accomplished nothing but copy and paste. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:22 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. project much? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Well, you have about 600 more posts than I do |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. Now WTF would I want with your old goat, TIA? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Wrong! My premise is that the Exit Polls were correct. For a few reasons. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Exit poll results are like mutual stock funds |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Flawed methodology? I refer you to Prof. Freeman and Dick Morris. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. That's not an adequate answer |
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IAMREALITY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Sean Hannity |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Feeling nauseous is an emotional reaction |
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IAMREALITY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Sean, Please, I Urge you |
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MrUnderhill (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. Dick Morris?????!!? |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
98. Exit Polls are not reliable, historically or otherwise. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
47. This example is indeed relevant. All of the other factors have been |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. It's not nit-picking, it's playing Devil's Advocate! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. You were onto something... |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. BRILLIANT, JUST BRILLIANT. NOT. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT SEAN HANNITY? |
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ahyums (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. the worrying thing is that Hannity actually predicted the results |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. I DON'T KNOW |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. NO, SEAN, EXIT POLLS WERE CORRECT IN 2000 AND 2002 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #72 |
99. No. For the 2000 presidental election, they were off |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:21 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I will address 2000. Very Quickly. Now listen carefully. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #101 |
123. Interesting |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
76. The probability could be quite high |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. This is true. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 09:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. BLASPHEMY! |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:39 AM Response to Reply #89 |
106. my powerpoint slide says you're a lyin' yellow-belly fleeper! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #106 |
122. My solar-powered hard slide rule case says yer a Halliburton stoogie! |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
80. Kinda funny that only one side here has any empirical evidence. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
103. a binomial dist on crap is still crap |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:02 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Ok, sage, tell us now that Bush won fairly. The exit polls were wrong. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:06 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. fallacy of a false dilemma |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:56 AM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Of course, you failed the test. No specifics. Just grandiose verbiage. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. if you can't grasp conditional logic, there isn't much to explain |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:01 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Answer the question. Answer the question. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. plonking uncomfortable truths doesn't make your handle less Orwellian |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
113. Still waiting for some empirical refutation to go with that sniping. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:03 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. You won't get any from these freepers. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 11:43 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Freepers are characterized by a "with us or against us" world view |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-23-04 03:41 AM Response to Reply #113 |
118. the burden of proof is on the asserter |
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