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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:24 PM
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US says Kiev must investigate election fraud allegations
Oh, the irony:

US says Kiev must investigate election fraud allegations

The State Department is calling on Ukraine to investigate allegations of fraud in its presidential elections -- or risk souring relations with the U-S.

A spokesman says Ukrainian officials must "act to ensure an outcome that reflects the will of the Ukrainian people." ...Otherwise, he says, the U-S will consider altering its relationship with Kiev.

One US senator says there was "a concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse."
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tinfoil_beret Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:25 PM
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1. It's official...
I live in Bizarro World!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:29 PM
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8. HA!
First, let me say that I love your user name! Pretty funny. Not only that your comment actually made me laugh out loud. Yeah, we live in Bizarro World, but where the hell is Superman to save us?!?
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tinfoil_beret Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:51 PM
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21. Superman can't help us now.
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 07:34 PM by tinfoil_beret
Thanks. I wear the moniker with pride.

Unfortunately, Superman gave up on Planet Earth years ago, when he realized that the military-industrial complex had grown beyond his ability to defeat it. That's his official story anyway. In reality, the neocons fabricated some dirt on him–something to do with an intern at The Daily Planet–and used it to force our hero into submission. Of course, Superman denied the allegations, insisting that he never had improper relations with the woman....
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:23 PM
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26. ROTFL!
Welcome to DU!
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tinfoil_beret Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:35 PM
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28. Thanks. eom
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:53 PM
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29. No Man, It Was All The Depleted Kryptonite Lying around
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tinfoil_beret Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:05 PM
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33. And contrary to popular opinion...
The high levels of radiation came not from Depleted Kryptonite used in the U.S. invasion but from miniature nukes fired upon the sovereign country from a neighboring occupied territory, before the U.S. intrusion.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:26 PM
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2. wow
although they have a history of doing this (doing the very things that they abhor in others) it never ceases to amaze me.

uggh.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:27 PM
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3. the mirror speaks
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:28 PM
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4. Pot meet Kettle
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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:28 PM
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5. Okay then. I think I've pretty much heard it all now.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:29 PM
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6. Typical. Laws and morality exist only for OTHER people
in OTHER countries.

Of course, few people here know there are recounts and challenges to the election, or even have heard a whisper about how the election was rigged. The mass media are under orders to kill that story.

The rest of the world must find it very puzzling that there's been so little outcry over a second Texas Mafia theft of an election.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:29 PM
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7. Kiev says "I'll show you mine if you show me yours."
The unmitigated cynical hubris of busholini's State Department to have the audacity to question any other nation's electoral process after the transparent massive FRAUD that occurred on 11/2 is enough to make your head explode.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 PM
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12. Email the US State Department
Hey, we should point out the hypocritical irony of them having said that! Send them a barrage of email assailing them for their obvious lack of vision in regards to an election having been stolen here in 2000 and 2004.
;)
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ReneB Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:30 PM
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9. this cant be true..
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 05:31 PM by ReneB
nevermind :)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:34 PM
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15. call to foreign leaders.
Please expose us for the hypocritical joke we have become.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:31 PM
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10. Apparently I am having a really bad acid trip.
The stuff we had in the '60s just produced interesting hallucinations; but his shit is way scary. It's making me have this weird and horrible delusion that my country has been taken over by lunatics. I sure hope I come down soon.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:59 PM
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32. Today's Reality Is Much Scarier Than Any Acid Trip
Maybe an acid trip would improve things. : )
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 PM
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11. Oh, the gall.
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MominTN Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:32 PM
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13. Bush can help
He can give them billions of dollars in aid that we don't have....oh wait, let's donate our e-voting machines now that we're done....why bother voting for a king again?
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:33 PM
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14. The Ukraine government needs to say they'll investigate theirs...
...if we investigate ours. Simple as that.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:35 PM
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16. At least they 'take to the streets'

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/11/23/001.html
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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:51 PM
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19. RE: "At least they 'take to the streets'"
Well, who woulda' thunk? The Ukraine, barely a decade old after spending the better part of the last century suffering under the iron-fisted Soviets, teach the USA about "freedom and democracy".

And what's that I see? A free press?
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:35 PM
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17. what's the matter? wasn't it stealable enough for them? n/t
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:37 PM
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18. Do as I say, not as I do.
Ukranian officials: "You first!"
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:01 PM
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20. What are the odds that
Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia all end up with no-bid contracts during a revote in the Ukraine?
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republikkkon Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:59 PM
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22. WOW!
well, that's just rich, isn't it!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:01 PM
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23. ha ha ha ha ha haha ha haha ha haha ha haha ha haha ha haha ha ha
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:04 PM
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24. What bugged me about the story is the bit about the disappearing ink
So now we can't even trust paper ballots unless everybody's allowed to hang out for 15 minutes to make sure the pen they were given to fill their ballot with had real ink in it.

I swear. :grr:
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:14 PM
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25. As for the United States' Election Fraud allegations -- baaaahhh, we
are too honest for that kind of nonsense talk!
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meatsack Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:26 PM
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27. Exit Polls
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 07:28 PM by meatsack
I thought this quote was interesting too:

With 75 percent of the vote counted, the Central Electoral Commission said Yanukovych had won 49 percent of the vote, as opposed to Yushchenko's 48 percent, the BBC reported.

However, several exit polls had earlier showed Yushchenko ahead of the prime minister.

An exit poll funded by Western governments and carried out by the Kiev International Institute for Sociology and the Razumkov Center put Yushchenko ahead with 54 percent of the vote to Yanukovych's 43 percent, The Moscow Times reported Monday. But Yanukovych's campaign team rejected the poll, saying their candidate was ahead.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041122-032318-9624r.htm

Remind anyone of a couple of battleground states?

So the US government can rely on other countries exit polls, but not out own? Are they better at exit polling than Americans? And we are the tin foil hat wearers! My eyes are nearly rolling out of my skull.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:56 PM
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30. Oh the hypocrisy!!!!
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:59 PM
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31. Too funny.
They probably noticed a discrepancy with the exit polls.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:08 PM
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34. I'm speechless...
Do these people have no sense of shame?
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