Oh My Fucking God -- KERRY IS GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT!!!

(Does swearing help get your attention?)

THEY GOT GREEDY AND STUPID AND WE ARE GOING TO WIN!!!

Voter Fraud in Florida & Ohio:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1292142

538 Electoral Votes Total - 47 for Florida & Ohio because of CONTESTING THEM = Must Have 246 out of 591 (I think?) and Kerry WINS.

The IDIOTS got STUPID about only messing with the election results in Ohio and Florida!!!

Remember what happened in Florida last time? The big fear was that their votes WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED, only no Senator would support the Congressional Black Caucus. Think that's going to happen this time? NOT!!!

Voter fraud is being alleged with some serious proof. If it is true, then our guys REFUSE TO ALLOW THE ELECTORAL VOTES FOR THOSE STATES WHERE FRAUD IS ALLEGED, bringing down the total number required for a "majority" to 246 (math -- ?) AND KERRY WINS.

The IDIOTS got cocky, and only screwed with Florida and Ohio (see the thread in the original post), making 'proving' fraud pretty damn easy. KERRY WINS.

They got arrogant, and they SCREWED UP. YEAH!!!

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I do not want to post a negative post tonight. But do you really think they'll refuse?

"How much damage can Bush do to the country?" Do you REALLY think Kerry doesn't know the answer to that already? If the Democratic Senate does NOT stand up for the voters, we are BEYOND serious trouble -- and I think they are going to do the right thing this time!

we've seen the thread...you can't prove fraud based on exit polls...They were screwed up in 2000 and were off this year. That's why DU banned them.

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That is one of the nicest things anyone has EVER said about me! I appreciate the support! :)

I don't understand the premise that Kerry will win because OH & FL will be "dropped" from the count, therefore, Kerry has a majority. As much as I'd love to see this happen, don't you think the folks of FL and OH who voted correctly might be a tad pissed off? Plus, the simple fact is that you can't just lower the 270 number because 2 states "don't count". They will be contested, but, they don't just magically disappear.. so, where would they go?

1) No fraud, and we are all REALLY stupid believing the turnout and 48 out of 50 exit polls meant we were winning (so Bush really deserves it).

2) Fraud, and the votes go to Kerry. We win.

3) Fraud, and the votes get eliminated from the mix. We still win.

Their big screw-up was in only doing it IN OHIO (how many times did you hear 'no Republican gets elected without Ohio' which was the set-up) AND IN FLORIDA. If they'd done it everywhere else, it would have been A REALLY BIG COINCIDENCE that we were all misled so much.

BUT THEY GOT GREEDY, and THAT has ALWAYS been the downfall of these morons!!!

has just been shaved down 20,000 (per AAR)

Can we say "Dewey Defeats Truman?"

Don't give up.

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;

they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed;

and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.

But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

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Stuff from Florida 2000!!!

“While Vice President Al Gore appeared to have accepted his fate contained in two wooden ballot boxes, Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus tried repeatedly to challenge the assignment of Florida's 25 electoral votes to Bush…. More than a dozen Democrats followed suit, seeking to force a debate on the validity of Florida's vote on the grounds that all votes may not have been counted and that some voters were wrongly denied the right to vote.” Susan Milligan, “It’s Really Over: Gore Bows Out Gracefully,” Boston Globe, January 7, 2001.

The Congressional Black Caucus effort failed for “lack of the necessary signature by any senator.” Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) had previously advised Democratic senators not to cooperate. ‘They did not.’” Robert Novak, “Sweeney Link Won't Help Chao,” Chicago Sun-Times, January 14, 2001.

it all gets resolved????
Thats how I read it..a possibility anyway..
HA..No shit??!!
Geez
Don't You Condede This Race John Kerry!!!!
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And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

The constitution states that the state legislature will send an electoral delagation to cast their votes. It does NOT stipulate any method of chosing the electors. If there is voter fraud proven, then the state legislatures pick a slate of electors, and BOTH states have Republican controlled state legislatures.

Sorry, but your idea doesn't fit in the real world. It was just a hope.

If that was the case, then the Democratic Representatives wouldn't have bothered fighting so hard, because the Repukes control the Florida legislature (which would have gotten to assign them if Florida hadn't "approved" them first). I think the House and Senate get to throw them out or contest them or something, but I can't remember what happens (except I know you need a Senator to sign the documents, and none of the Dems would because Gore asked them not to).