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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:34 PM
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what does this mean?
can I have a DU'er confirm this

Yesterday in Keith's blog at msn nbc. I checked before writing anything and it is there, but I don't know what it means. I know this is from yesterday, but I was just wondering if someone can clear it up the meaning.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

In Ohio, the reality of the recount is beginning to sink in, and local governments aren’t happy about it. The Associated Press ran a story Monday afternoon in which its reporter quoted the incoming president of the Ohio Association of Election Officials, Keith Cunningham. “The inference is that Ohio election officials will not count every vote,” said the man who is currently head of the Board of Elections in Allen County (that’s the Lima area, northwest of Columbus). “That’s just insulting; it’s frivolous and simply harassment.”

Advised of the recount push by the Green and Libertarian Parties, and their plan to sue to force a second tally even before Secretary of State Blackwell is scheduled to certify the first count, Cunningham said his statewide group might sue back to prevent a recount. “I need to see if this is merely my opinion or reflects the opinion of the association.”

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:40 PM
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1. To me it's an, "How dare they ask us to show proof!"
Exclamation.

The state will accept the 130,000 filing fee and then sue for 'excessive costs' and other such nonsense.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:42 PM
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2. Good. Always let THEM sue YOU.
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:43 PM
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3. Goodmorning, AnIndependantTexan
Hi there,

I received your e-mail from this morning, btw, and will get back to you shortly. Did you see the thread up on New Mexico?

As for this question, it is mostly rhetoric. They are trying to turn our concern about a recount into a personal issue. If they can shift the focus from the recount to one of personal integrity it makes people blindly digesting main stream media believe that we are on the attack and not the defense. See how that works?

This person is trying to convey the idea that the recount implies that we don't trust them as people. Personal trust shouldn't be fallaciously confused with issues of accountability. We should be asking him why he is so concerned with a little accountability.

Does that help?

Warmly,

George
p.s. Good question, btw.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:50 PM
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6. yep but I'm still wondering about what we should do there
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 06:04 PM by AnIndependentTexan
New Mexico is one that is similar to Florida we need to figure out a way around the Dixiecrat deal. This one needs to be thought out clearly so we can debunk the Dixiecrat or we end up in the same mess. I hope my ideas did help on laying out a few areas to look at.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:46 PM
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4. My take is this.
The Green and Libertarian Parties are concerned that Blackwell is trying the delay the official certification of the vote as long as possible, so that there won't be enough time for a recount. They therefore requested that Blackwell start the recount right away, before the certification. When Blackwell failed to comply, they then filed a lawsuit, trying to forced the recount to begin immediately. Cunningham then threatened a countersuit. On what basis, I have no idea, because there doesn't seem to be one.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:49 PM
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5. Green Party members afraid they threw away their vote for nothing.
How frustrating it must be to make a protest vote that nobody cares about, just to find out that nobody cares to count it.

Is a green vote even more worthless if nobody sees it?
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:00 PM
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7. Good.
It is a good sign that the RW wants to resist a recount. I've been waiting to see it, because it means there is something to hide. I was concerned in NH that no one was objecting to the recount there...too easy.

I could see them resisting on principle if the vote were close, just because a recount would be unpredictable. But to have such a large lead in the presidential race and still resist a recount tells me something interesting is hidden in the ballots.

These guys also claim that the recount would be a severe financial burden on the counties. Baloney.

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fliesincircles Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:29 PM
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9. 26 cents per vote
Is all that a hand recount would cost. Blackwell's spokesman said a statewide recount would cost 1.5 million. That sounds expensive. But no one is gonna buy the argument that 26 cents is too much to assure their vote counted.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:22 PM
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8. The Greens are only paying $10 per precinct
It is going to cost the State of Ohio a great deal more than this amount to do the recount and that is pissing off some of the counties. Too bad. The $10 per precinct amount is part of Ohio law and the Green Party is within its rights to demand a recount.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:39 PM
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10. Do it right the first time and you won't have to do it over
What is the problem with Ohio election officials? Are they missing that critical common-sense gene?

This is not the voters' fault. They were voting, not running the process.
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