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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:55 PM
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Exit Polls in Ukraine vs. Exit Polls in New Hampshire (and rest of US)
Exit polls in Ukraine being off by 9% = general outrage

Exit polls in New Hampshire being off by 9.5% = general silence in the media

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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:07 PM
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1. Ukraine vs. NH
I think it's a case of "how bad do you want it" ....

I wish people here would take to the streets like the Ukraine.. but we are a society of complacency...

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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:13 PM
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2. Lugar calls Ukraine election "Fraud"!! What about our fraud?
REPUBLICAN CHALLENGES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BASED ON EXIT POLLS
Tuesday, November 23, 2004
from the New York Times

An international election observer mission - from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the European Parliament, the NATO Parliamentary Assembly and the Council of Europe - released a preliminary report on Monday declaring that the election did not meet democratic standards.

The observers' findings were seconded by Republican Senator Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Citing the disturbing fact that official results diverged sharply from a range of surveys of voters at polling places, Lugar said, "A concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of governmental authorities."

Other prominent Western observers were unsparing in their criticism of the state's conduct of the election.

"Fundamental flaws in Ukraine's presidential election process subverted its legitimacy," the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, sponsored by the Democratic Party in the United States, declared in its preliminary report. The institute, cited "systematic intimidation, overt manipulation and blatant fraud" that were "designed to achieve a specific outcome irrespective of the will of the people."
-- New York Times

From GregPalast.com: This reporter was unable to reach Senator Lugar regarding the inconsistency of official election results and exit polls in the USA; the intimidation of minority voters in Florida and Ohio; nor the failure to count two million ballots cast, half by African-American voters, in America's first post-democratic election held earlier this month.

Eastern bloc observers noted that balloting in Ohio, New Mexico and Florida did not meet Ukrainian standards, but applauded America's attempt to restore democratic institutions after the overthrow of elected government in 2000.

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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:24 PM
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3. This should be a main post!
Kick.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:29 PM
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4. Kick!
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:17 AM
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5. That' s what I thought, too. And here is a scientific study:
http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."
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