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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:33 PM
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Did Bush Lose the Election?
Did Bush Lose the Election?
by Margie Burns

As things stand right now, it seems unlikely that Mr. Bush won the 2004 presidential election.

As things stand right now, it seems unlikely that Mr. Bush won the election.
There are two major categories of problems. One affects the electoral vote. Release of the final exit polls conducted in all states shows a pattern that cannot be explained away. The exit polls were released (not to the general public) at 4:00 p.m. on Election Day by polling consultants Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International.

These are the genuine exit polls for all 50 states and the District of Columbia, taken before the outcome was known in any particular state. These are not the “exit polls” that organizations including CNN went back and retroactively changed after the election, making them conform more to vote tallies.

The exit poll results are laid out straightforwardly in a very clear list (tabulation). Compared to the vote tallies given the public, they seem amazing. Contrary to results in every election for the past twenty years, the variance between exit polls the published vote tally was more than two points--in other words a swing of 4% or 5% or more to Bush, in 33 of 51 jurisdictions. Regardless of which candidate won in those states, a big variance, always in the same direction, allegedly occurred in every single exit poll in all of them.

Exit polls from the next nine states down the list were also reversed by a smaller swing toward Bush in the published vote tally, including in the District of Columbia and Maryland. Thus, to sum up, a four-out-five-state swing to Bush is alleged in an election where every indication showed new voters, independent voters, and younger voters trending toward Kerry and/or away from Bush, and in an election where turnout increased, even though increased voter turnout generally favors the challenger against the incumbent.

Exit polls are not just polls. They are polls of people who actually showed up to vote, taken just after the voting, and weighted to take into account any preponderance of one group. Exit polls are used to check and verify the validity of elections in countries including Germany and Mexico.

Furthermore, this crucial swing occurred in all the close states: Colorado, Florida, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Iowa all allegedly had the same “red shift.” Most seemingly shifted more than two points, in other words a swing of 4% or 5%, regardless of the size or region of the state, or whether it went for Bush or Kerry.

More: http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/112204MargieBurns.shtml
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:38 PM
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1. Wish like hell we could prove it! nt
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:42 PM
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2. Let me show my stupidity by asking......
what the nt I see so often on this board means???? I've been wondering about it ever since I started reading/posting here. Thanks!
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:45 PM
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3. n/t
no text
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:47 PM
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4. It means No Text.
EOM is also used, meaning End of Message.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:49 PM
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5. n/t is so you won't have to try to read the message
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:53 PM
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6. YAWN. Sorry, but this is irrelevant until we get the MSM to pick this up
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 12:55 PM by MallRat
I love Keith Olbermann, I really admire what he's doing on this, but the fact remains that he's a lone voice in the wilderness.

I don't know what it's going to take for the MSM to finally cover this story- a whistleblower, a smoking gun, a sudden reversal in vote counts during a recount, maybe Kerry retracting his concession (unthinkable)?

But I do know that as long as places like Buzzflash, Commondreams.org, and alternative media are the only ones covering the story, it is as if it doesn't exist.

And ABC and the NY Times went out of their way to discount legitimate allegations of voter fraud by focusing on the single flimsiest piece of evidence we (never, EVER should have) presented: the small, highly-Democratic Florida counties which overwhelmingly voted for Bush. A sloppy bit of research by well-intended activists- these counties have long been reliable GOP votes in the Presidential elections, even though they're registered Democrats. The damage was done.

Once that theory was easily debunked, the MSM declared EVERY bit of evidence, no matter how legitimate, no matter which state, no matter what the circumstances, to be the rantings of a bunch of lunatic liberals. We had our chance- and we blew it because we were careless. AGAIN.

Hmmmm... serious, well-founded, earthshattering allegations against Republicans completely neutralized by a small technicality? Where have we seen this before? (see: Rather, Dan)

Voter fraud? I believe it happened, but I've given up hope that any investigation will ever result in Kerry becoming President. I also have no hope whatsoever that it will ever be fixed.

Tree falling in forest. No one around to hear it. Wake me when the networks start giving us the time of day again.

-MR
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:09 PM
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7.  Aaron Brown and Lou Dobbs picked it up yesterday.
And some of the major papers are now doing stories on the voter fraud.
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