Kerry/Edwards MORE involved In Ohio than we think?

I don't know if this has already been posted anywhere here in DU, but from what I've been reading, it appears that fellow DUers are losing hope--although those clearly with the advantage of insider's info, are trying to calm worries, and fears that the recounts might not make it, and that they'd end sometime soon.

Anyhow, perhaps this little tidbit might brighten our Thanksgiving Day for tomorrow a little. I know it will mine.

Kerry clutches to hopes of recount victory
White House calls on nation to 'come together'
by Adam Stone.
November 24, 2004

"In a series of e-mail interviews with North County News two weeks ago, Kerry spokesman David Wade spoke about recount efforts led by a team of 17,000 lawyers that could trigger the removal of President George W. Bush from office.

Since then, under mounting pressure from alternative media outlets as well as progressive voices outside the Democratic Party, Kerry issued a statement to his supporters that left open the possibility that he could obtain--through a recount--the requisite electoral votes to seize the White House.

"Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted--and they will be counted--we will continue to challenge this administration," Kerry said through a web-exclusive statement and video Friday, which, curiously, was not distributed to the press.

The usage of the word 'regardless' in the carefully parsed statement was the first indication Kerry has offered that, in his mind, the official election results might be inaccurate enough to tilt the election in his favor."

<snip>

"I think that a recount in Ohio, if done properly, will show a narrow Kerry victory and he should be inaugurated hopefully by January 20, 2005," the Washington D.C.-based, clinical professor in the Department of Psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center said.

"The disruption and cries of foul will be huge," the psychiatrist and psychoanalyst said. "But I think Bush lost. Kerry people are finally joining in, though I think they have been active all along, just quietly."

It's an extensively long piece, but one that's been posted today, and what's made my Thanksgiving.

IOW, we shouldn't lose any hope. :)

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" Power to the People "

The article says:

<snip>

In another signal the Kerry/Edwards team is increasing its involvement in the recount effort, a note was posted on the campaign website yesterday that called on supporters to contribute to the Kerry-Edwards 2004 General Election Legal and Accounting Compliance Fund.

"The Federal Election Commission has just granted our request to raise funds now to cover recount expenses," the website states. "Your contribution to Kerry-Edwards 2004 GELAC will provide the resources to make sure we are prepared to win the post election day battles."

<snip>

But that has been on their website since before the election! Hope the rest of it is true, though ...

i am baffled at the fact that in nearly every state the difference between the presidential vote and the senate vote is 1% to 1.5%. in pennsylvania it is 3.3%. in florida it is 4.5% and in ohio it is 4.9% . kind of ironic to me that it is this high in the swing states. i find it very hard to believe you would spend 4 hours in line and not vote for a senator to help pass the bills for your president. funniest thing of all nearly all of the "extra" votes were in dumbya's favor. now i'm not the smartest fish in the sea but i even caught this. i smell a rat

freedomr

welcome to the last refuge of the scoundrels. any news about K & E being involved would be welcome... but i'm supporting the recount with $ and waiting and seeing...

whalerider55

Your observation is close to wht the 'uncorrected' exit polls were saying

You might want to pass this info along. It's just qualitative but might be of interest to someone like Bev Harris or even the Kerry people (though I would think they've noticed this themselves). Anyway it wouldn't hurt.

if you believe the vote total, these same people also waited in line for hours to vote for dogcatcher and head janitor but didn't bother to vote for the president. Or at least the optial-scanner didn't detect that they had.
Yeah... right.
And I have some beach-front property in Arkansas I'd like to sell you.

Angry that people would stoop so low as to change the will of the people, YES.
Just as in 2000, I just wanted the votes to be COUNTED.
It is not too late to do something if the votes show K/E won.

Thank you for the LINK !!!!!!!!!!!!1

If they let the Repukes get away with this without a public fight I doubt if either would be the Dem candidate next time.

thanks, sincerely, but i'll believe it when I read it, hear it, see it. see bev's last post here or on dkos.
is it, realistically, possible? filing dates, etc. legal eagles please chime in.

(unless we do a ukraine civil disobedience thang.)

All is not lost even if the recount takes place in early Dec. Any evidence of election fraud involvement could land GWB in an awful lot of hot water if he stands up to be sworn in in January and is linked to election fraud! At the very least, it will insure Bush Co. is unable to do any more harm if this scheme is exposed.

I was so fearful that the evilness had spread its arms to incircle all who dare expose it for the fraud that it is, I personally apology to Kerry for thinking he left us behind him in a cloud of dust, hi ho silver away.

biw-
as sure as i am that elction was fraudulent, i'm also that sure that the threshhold of blame won't rise to the white house- Rove learned plausible deniability at the knee of Nixon.

i think the election theft game plan was hatched in the late 90's; they couldn't pull it off in 2000 because of the undisputed vote nationally so they had to bring in the SUpremes; I think they practiced in 2002 in FL and GA; and I think by now it is so dentralized that they knew the dems were unprepared to fight in ten states at once.

jes my 'umble opinion. still doesn't mean that i don't wanna see the lot of them frog-walked out of the WH with hoods on their heads...

whalerider55

But the fact that sooo many of us believe it was fraudulant and we are continually pains in America's backside, may create enough change in the future. Personally, I won't be happy with anything less than complete overhaul, but I might be pacified w/ something a little less!

...didn't Bev just post that it is now TOO LATE?

Most deadlines have passed without contest... Or more than statistics are needed to contest in most states... I believe she said "Yes, it is now, too late"...

And now this...

I just don't know what to think anymore...

Can you articulate a little more about the identity of the 'sender'?

stay the course, my friends. keep moving that information around, like this re: Jeff fisher in FL which just came to me>

To Commissioner Aaronson and everyone I blind copied: Please read this email and forward this to everyone you know.

Mr. Aaronson is a County Commissioner in Palm Beach, Florida. He is a Democrat who can be reached at (561) 355-2205 or you can email him at BAARONSO@co.palm-beach.fl.us.

This to inform you all that the press has been suppressing the news regarding the recount in New Hampshire, Ohio and the efforts we are making leading to the possible recount of Florida's certified votes. Ask Mr. Aaronson to lead the charge in Palm Beach County, as he is famous for fighting for Democracy even when the odds are stacked up against it or him. Mr. Aaronson is well respected and treated as a hero in the Boca Raton area and he is very good friends with Congressman Robert Wexler and State Senator Ron Klein.


The night of Nov. 19, 2004 my website was hacked into and I couln't access it. The website http://www.JeffFisherforCongress was altered three times over the next 18 hours by those hackers. The homepage is useless. Most of the links don't work. We also have discovered that the ElectionFraud2004 yahoo group through its moderator has been posting messages to the net. However, since November 16, 2004 none of those messages have reached the Internet after being posted. ElectionFraud2004 acts like a town center for people who want to post suspicious incidents and information regarding this past General Election.

Update to this message: 1:30 p.m. November 20, 2004, the yahoo group, Election Fraud 2004 posted messages finally came through the Internet. Whomever had the capability and technology to stop the messages from going from the yahoo server to the net withheld it for three plus days. That is how they can stop the news from reaching the people in a timely fashion.

Update to this message: 3:30 p.m. November 20, 2004, the website is up and running with the help of David Toppings from Arizona. Thank you. America thanks Mr. Toppings.





That is the act of a group of people who are trying to suppress the truth. I can't prove who they are but let the assumptions begin. I will find another way to get the message out. I have just begun to fight for this nation. If you know anything about the book DUNE, then you will understand "the sleeper has awakened".



Jeff Fisher
561-889-2165



P.S. They have hacked into Bev Harris's computer recently at Black Box Voting and several people that I have been consulting with in the state of Washington, North Carolina, New York, California and Minnesota. As of today I am getting information that blog sites are getting hacked into also.



Remember, the Watergate break-in was done by a few and it took time for that to unfold. This time we have the Internet and if "We the People" spread the word they won't be able to stop all of us.






Email message from a professor at Wake Forest University:
Is the FBI investigation something that seems like it will take a number of
months or could they potentially have some "official" information prior to
the final nationwide certification of the election?



My answer to the professor at Wake Forest University:

Regarding the FBI: The possibilities are still up in the air. The reason for any hope lies with information that Russ Baker from The Nation told us yesterday that he thought it was important, but he didn't have the time or resources to investigate. In addition, Eve Conant of Newsweek has received copies of documents from the "sender" that confirmed my earlier statements regarding my meeting with the sender, when I saw some of the documents regarding the 2000 and 2002 election. The information that Eve Conant received backs up the sender’s" statement that it was going to happen in multiple states during the 2004 General Election. The information Russ Baker revealed to us on November 19, 2004 was that the “sender” gave him a copy of several hundred names and corresponding social security numbers that the “sender” claimed were used in the 2000 election to cast votes. Today, November 20, 2004 we learned that this appears to have happened in Precinct 16 in Kansas City, Missouri during the 2004 General Election.

Who is this guy? How does a clinical psychiatry professor become an authority in election outcome prediction. There is social behavour involved but give us more information please.

Use your search engine and look him up yourself.

...I've posted the link to the above piece.

Here the link:

http://www.northcountynews.com/view.asp?s=11-24-04/news5.htm

Dr. Frank, whose book explores Bush's "psychological limitations," believes the Ohio recount will hand Kerry the presidency.

I've been generous this time, on account tomorrow's Thanksgiving, but next time, I expect you at least follow the link any poster posts, before you launch an attempt to discredit the messenger of an article.

Those "who's this guy?? what are his credentials" {i.e. attack the messenger to divert from the message} are tactics (ab)used by freepers, not progressives, and liberals.

Just a little friendly advice.

Based on the provisional ballots? I thought there was heavy job loss and a bad ecomomy. Kerry visited there more than any state. Even had a lucky buckeye too.

...Blackwell.

Long answer? Heavy voter suppression Jim Crowe style; purging of registered voters from rolls; 4 up to 12 hour waits in lines; easily hacked into e-voting systems; voter intimidation; closed door tabulation of votes in Warren County where the lie was told by Mr. Kenneth "I'm Not a Real Black man, but I Play One on T.V. Blackwell that the FBI had sent a warning of a possible terrorist attack when the FBI denies this (leaving open the question: What did they do behind closed, locked doors with the votes?)...and many, many other "incidents", besides the possible reason, that the provisional votes that weren't purged by rabid-RW Blackwell, start counting from Republican precincts, rather than the Democratic precincts.

Remember: Perception is reality.

Counting the provisional ballots from Republican precincts can boost the perception that Bush won Ohio.

Is it just a coincidence that suddenly there's all this hand-wringing here, just as the vote FRAUD fight begins to heat up? I don't think so.

NGU.

And until that time, even should Bush&Cronies steal Kerry's inauguration January 20, I'm going to make sure she keeps the duct tape securely over her mouth too!

I've watched with heavy heart how Al Gore was robbed of the presidency, and how our embattled governor Gray Davis was replaced by a showy do-nothing C-Rated actor who's hurting California and her people MORE than Davis has ever been able to; have watched with hollow eyes how the Republican owned-and operated media erroneously, and unfairly slammed Davis, instead of the real perpetrators, Bush, the FERC and Kenny-Boy, for California's, and thereby also, America's energy crisis, and I'm sick of it.

This time, if what I've been reading, and hearing all over the internet--that something huge is about to explode that will clean up America once and for all--comes to fruition, only then will I rip the duct tape off the obese lady's mouth, and then she can sing to high heaven with me along side her!

in that piece. And I think I love the Franks! You've made my Thanksgiving better, thank you BlueCaliDem04.

I am hopeless ...

but I am mad as hell that an election held in our country is so corrupt. The more I read about the problems in Ohio and Florida, the more upset I get -- to the point where I have knots in my stomach.

I do not believe that this country voted for Bush -- there is no way our country has stooped to this level. John Kerry showed the voters that he should be President instead of dubya, and I have a feeling that the majority voted for him.

As someone mentioned previously, "No one stands in line for four hours to vote and does not vote for President." What is wrong with the media that they cannot (or will not) see what is going on? Doesn't anyone in the media care about democracy anymore?

I guess democracy is only important in other countries...

My sign ain't comin' down until somebody proves to my satisfaction that John Kerry was not elected President. That could be a loooooong time.

is still on my car. It will remain there for many reasons.

1) Not Me! I didn't do it.

Also, I've seen others and I like our little club.
It's a little less in your face than anti-* stickers (I have a brand new car and don't care to have it keyed).
If someone says something, I can try to start a discourse about why they didn't vote for him.

I saw a Gore 2000 sticker the other day. It made me smile.

But let me tell you there are so many around here that are torally losing it over this. And when I say losing it I mean losing it! Hell there is a thread on here now where they have started saying they are going to try to sue Kerry and the DNC. Hell when I seen that I lost it because I can't believe they would even talk such crap. That is just rediculous.

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