We just need a sign, and then we would come out in force

Randi kept hinting that we were just letting this happen (election fraud.) She hinted at the same thing with 911. All we need is for someone to give us definitive evidence and believe me we would fight with all of our hearts. I don't know about you guys but I am feeling a little abandoned right now. A few senators here and there but nothing else. No proof on anything means we would get nowhere with our protests.

we need the leaders to lead and for us to support. we are ready. they are ???

They've completely taken over this country...they've purchased nearly all the media outlets, gotten themselves elected to local (many unopposed), state and federal positions, own most of the money ie: corporations.

They have been working on this for a long, long time. We didn't have the leadership in the party to take it from the ground up like they did.

We cannot ever, ever give up but we must continue party building with or without the DNC.

I honestly believe they still don't believe that votes can be significantly altered in the machines.

But media consolidation? The judgeships? OUTSOURCING??????

political leadership, just as (for example) the leadership of the antiwar movement of the 1960s-70s did not come from Congress, or, for that matter, the leadership of 1776 didn't come from the court of the king.

Here's how to find a local leader: Go to your nearest copier and start making copies of some of the fine leaflets that have been written about this issue (or write your own). Add a date when all of you in your area can get together and A) discuss the formation of a local democracy group or B) demonstrate or C) raise money for the movement or D) some other useful activity. Adapt this process as needed to whatever is appropriate to your community. Do this, then look in the mirror. You'll be looking at your neighborhood's leader of the democracy movement.

That's how leaders are made. Some of the people who are stepping forward now to play important roles will someday achieve national recognition as leaders of the democracy movement (Bev Harris, I believe, is one such person). In fact, many of the people who we wish were leading us right now, but who aren't, became leaders in almost exactly this way, back when the crisis was civil rights or war and the established progressives of their day were either timid or silent or complicit in the problem. And some day people will look back on what we are saying today about leadership, and laugh about how it was we couldn't see the greatness emerging from among us today.

Something that's true in times like these, that is not true during normal times, is that leaders don't need permission from anyone before they can act. Indeed there is no way to get permission before the fact. Crisis politics is entrepreneurial. Just think through what needs to be done, then act. If you act well, political legitimacy will follow.

and long live the new party, whatever it is.

Howard Dean, start a new party and I'll join it.

So will millions of others.

We have nothing to lose at this point. Our "democratic" party sold us down the river.

So to hell with them.

We are now living in a one party state. The democratic party is the Alan Colmes to the GOP Hannity.

It's there just for show.

What about getting just two people in all major cities across America tomorrow to make a sign that says something like "Stolen Election 2004, visit votescam.com for details" or something like that. What they could do is take the sign and go stand on a bridge overlooking a very busy freeway and hold it up for everyone to see. That would get some attention.