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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:52 AM
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There are even major irregularities in Wyoming!
Meanwhile, back in Wyoming, voter turnout was an astounding 106%. According to the Secretary of State’s Website, there were 245,789 ballots cast in Wyoming in the 2004 election. The trouble with that is that the State of Wyoming only has 232,396 registered voters. That’s a difference of over 13,000 votes, which means 106% of registered voters turned out on election day in Wyoming.

http://watchingthewatchers.org/index.php?p=176
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:54 AM
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1. How many voted early and ofter
or used oiuje boards?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:58 AM
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2. They couldn't have had that many absentees
Could they?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:00 AM
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4. Absentees still have to be registered there
in order to vote there.
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:59 AM
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3. wow. nice find!
Hi all,

Wouldn't that be just like them to play with states we think are too red to be worth it. Now we know were more of the popular vote margin came from (or disappeared to).

Great find! :)

Warmly,

George
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:57 PM
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8. Most of the overvotes in Florida in 2000
were in Republican counties. It's a pattern with them. So while Gore was deciding which Democratic counties to ask for a recount in, the real goldmines were located in the Republican counties. Just something to think about.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:10 AM
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5. Rove had to be sure that little bushie had his
Man Date by padding the votes where ever he could.
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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:18 AM
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6. Notice it was 101% in 2000
What a surprise
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:25 AM
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7. That's what I call really getting out the vote.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:39 PM
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9. What does 100% represent these days ???
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:23 PM
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24. that's football coach talk numbers - give it 110%, boys!
noticed too that the abacus went all screwey starting in 2000.

Now why are millions more eyebrows not raised a few stories higher over this? good grief.
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:31 PM
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27. The Likelihood That This Election Was Rigged n/t
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:35 PM
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15. ROTFL, shraby
Too cute.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:47 PM
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10. Padding??? Poor Karl had 50 states to orchestrate,
and nobody is perfect................

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:54 PM
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11. as Cheney said, "Kerry may have the crowds, but we have the votes."
And he gave his "smarter-than-thou" smile and went on his way.

(Yes, this is an actual quote, when someone asked Cheney if he were worried about the size of crowds coming out to see Kerry.)
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:57 PM
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31. and King said "we'll take care of the counting", watch this video
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:00 PM
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12. the home of Dick Halliburton Cheney, what did we expect?
he takes personal pride in making sure the west went for Bush.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:22 PM
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13. This is weird
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 08:26 PM by The Flaming Red Head
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:37 PM
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16. Get screen captures, people -- better yet
save it to your harddrive. Please! Once they realize that some people are looking -- and talking -- they might find a need to make appropriate "corrections."
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:04 PM
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22. acrobat file
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:29 PM
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26. You are right, Eloriel, that's what happened to the SOS site for NV
and they had more voters than registered too but now it all matches up nicely and I did save the screens as you suggested, I still have them.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:31 PM
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14. What are the major news outlets in WY?
Is no one reporting any of this locally?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:46 PM
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18. I notified Citizens for Legitimate Government and
Keith Olbermann.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:45 PM
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17. Wyoming
Send this to Olbermann right away!

It is absurd to think that turnout could be anything near 100% anywhere. There had to be at least a few people who were in comas, got drunk and passed out or were otherwise indisposed on election day. I am relatively sure there are dead people on the voting rolls in Wyoming as there are everywhere else. At least the people whose obituaries were in the paper didn't vote on election day.

Can people in Wyoming register to vote on election day?
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:49 PM
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19. Ed. State, county officials work to curb voter fraud (news story 11-02-04)
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 09:02 PM by The Flaming Red Head
http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/more.asp?StoryID=103732&arch=true
News Story Published On 11/2/2004

State, county officials work to curb voter fraud
By Ilene Olson
rep3@wyomingnews.com
Published in the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle

CHEYENNE - With so much attention on today's presidential election and on local races, assuring a fair vote is important for Laramie County Clerk Debbye Lathrop.
"Since Florida in 2000, there is a heightened awareness of the bad things that can happen in the election process," Lathrop said Monday. "Unfortunately, that's what many seem to have focused on. They haven't looked at the safeguards that have been put in place."

snip

Wyoming's small population, especially in rural areas, makes voter fraud easier to detect, Meyer said.
"It's pretty hard to pull a large fraud off," he said. "Most are caught by the county clerks pretty easily."
In addition, the fact that Wyoming has the largest projected margin in favor of Bush and Cheney makes the state a less attractive target for voter fraud, he said.
While striving to prevent voter fraud, county clerks also work hard to make sure everyone gets a chance to vote.
Wyoming is one of few states that allow voter registration at the polls.

This year, Lathrop said laptop computers are available at the seven precincts in Laramie County where the greatest population growth has occurred. County employees who are deputized to act as election officials will use them to enter new voter registration information directly into the county's data system.

"It's going to save my staff a tremendous amount of time," she said.

In the past, that information always has been entered on paper and transferred to the computer system after the election.



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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:56 PM
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21. from same story (meant to put it in) sorry
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 09:00 PM by The Flaming Red Head
snip



Register at the polls
Wyoming law allows residents to register to vote at polling places on Election Day. Anyone who plans to register at their precincts today must bring a photo ID, preferably a Wyoming driver's license.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:19 PM
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23.  No paper trail and confident Bush will win and fraud not an issue.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:53 PM
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20. Deadline
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 08:57 PM by rzemanfl
Voter registration in Wyoming closed October 4th, but apparently they allow registration on election day.
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LiveInHope Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:24 PM
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25. Since Cheney is from Wyoming
he would have all his people well established there.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:45 PM
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28. Here's a simple explanation
In Wyoming you are allowed to register up to and including election day. The stats given were from Oct 22nd. There were another 11 days to register to vote that are not tallied on the list from the Wyoming SOS. It's not unreasonable to assume that 13,000 people registered after Oct 22.

My $0.02
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:58 PM
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29. You really believe EVERY registered voter voted?
And also that another previously unregistered 13,000 showed up as well on election day. Pretty impressive. It's a simple explanation, but not credible.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:34 PM
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30. Why, why, it would be a...a, MIRACLE!
JAY-SUS himself maketh every voter go-eth to the polls to vote for his voice on earth.
Yay, can you sayeth it is DE-VINE?
I kneweth that you couldeth.:hurts:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:41 AM
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37. rotflmao
In Wyoming???? Either you don't live there or you're really reaching to defend your home state. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get 13,000 people to register to vote?
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rjbny62 Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 08:46 AM
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38. important to do the homework
as the previous poster said, the stats provided for the registrations was from 10/22, and Wyoming allows registration at the polls. Before you cry "MAJOR" irregularities, get some more facts man. Someone who thinks this really matters at this point should go out and find out what the total number of registered voters was on 11/3, after the election.

Here is a start. There were 4 counties that had votes over 110% of registrations:

Campbell 114%
Albany 113%
Lincoln 110%
Natrona 110%

Perhaps someone would like to contact one of them and ask them to explain how many new regs they got, or why they had such a big difference.




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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:24 AM
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32. Has anyone checked S. Dakota--Daschl's race?
If they rigged Wyoming for Bush, why not South Dakota (or is it north?) to get rid of Tom Daschl? The Dem's majority leader lost in a close race. Were there unbelievably high turnouts there, too?
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Ronbrynaert Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:12 AM
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33. I'll Get To It...soon
As part of my series "50 States Mislead Their Voters" at http://whyareweback.blogspot.com (and http://watchingthewatchers.org which broke the Wyoming story is working with me on this).

One thing that's unusual...is that John Thune (who supposedly beat Daschle) screamed bloody murder about voter fraud in 2002 the last time he ran for senator...and his brother, Jeff, got into trouble this election by lying to a reporter that he was a notary public who witnessed absentee ballots being distributed. Also a bunch of notary publics were arrested and charged with not watching people sign documents.

There's also reports that voters from indian reservations were not allowed to vote if they didn't have picture id...even though the HAVA act allows provisional ballot voting.

Another thing I noticed is that there are 3,000 more votes for the senate race than the presidential...which is odd. But either I or Watching the watchers will get to it soon. Right now my focus is on New Mexico...and Anthony's about to do Wisconsin with Florida right after.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:35 AM
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36. Glad to hear it!
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Rhapsody in Blue Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:32 AM
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34. I've posted Daschle's numbers 4 times now, but can't get noticed....
The total votes in the South Dakota races for Pres, Senate and House look odd:

President: 388,215
Senate: 391, 188 ....... 2,978 more than for President
House: 389,468 ....... 1,902 more than for President

Is it really possible that nearly 3,000 people showed up to vote, cast a vote for Senate, but didn't bother to vote for President at the same time on the same ballot?

I have yet to see the numbers for Senate exceed President in any other state - and I've checked about 2 dozen other states so far. I just don't buy this, and really think something's up.

Numbers are the "Official Returns" from http://www.sdsos.gov/Elections/. Full breakdown by county posted at http://www.geocities.com/truthnow2004/South_Dakota.htm.


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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:35 AM
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35. kick!
That sounds fishy to me.
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:34 PM
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40. Florida has the same "glitch"
I believe that Castor recieved 10,000 more votes in Florida than Kerry did, even though Smelly Martinez(Rep Senator)recieved something like 14,000 votes less than Bushie.

Keep in mind that this was the biggest turn out ever, and this is the same Florida from the 2000 debacle and we are Mad as Hell down here,

How could this happen.

So I wonder in how many states we will see the Dem Senator getting more votes than the Dem Presidential Can. and then in the same states the Rep Senator having the traditional trend of having less votes than the Rep Presidential Can. ????

I am sad becasue Florida will not have a recount :(

Even my own county of Pasco does not add up with Senatorial votes vs the presidential votes, Pasco even stalled Bev from BBV with their FOIA requests.

I feel that this is slipping away.

Where are Kerry's Lawyers in Florida???
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Rhapsody in Blue Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:13 PM
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44. Actually, the SD numbers were for the whole state
not just the individual parties. In other words, 2,978 more people voted in the senatorial race, regardless of party, and didn't vote for president at all. THAT'S just plain fishy and doesn't hold up, IMO.

In SD, it was expected to go red for President, but hoping to go blue for Senate (Daschle), so comparing party percentages probably wouldn't work for this state.

Depending on the demographics of the state and candidates in question, it's possible to vote for different parties in different races. Maybe a breakdown by county for Senate in Florida would give a clearer picture of what happened to Castor and where ...
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:24 PM
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39. kick
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:35 PM
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41. Kicking!!!
I believe that Castor recieved 10,000 more votes in Florida than Kerry did, even though Smelly Martinez(Rep Senator)recieved something like 14,000 votes less than Bushie.

Keep in mind that this was the biggest turn out ever, and this is the same Florida from the 2000 debacle and we are Mad as Hell down here,

How could this happen.

So I wonder in how many states we will see the Dem Senator getting more votes than the Dem Presidential Can. and then in the same states the Rep Senator having the traditional trend of having less votes than the Rep Presidential Can. ????

I am sad becasue Florida will not have a recount

Even my own county of Pasco does not add up with Senatorial votes vs the presidential votes, Pasco even stalled Bev from BBV with their FOIA requests.

I feel that this is slipping away.

Where are Kerry's Lawyers in Florida???

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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:45 PM
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42. I'd like to see how many of these ARE same day registration
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 12:49 PM by The Flaming Red Head
But I don't know where to find that. It doesn't sound at all likely that 100% turned out plus an extra 6%. And no paper trail.






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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 01:08 PM
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43. Wyoming gave Bush.........
the most overwhelming victory in any state, percentage wise. I'm telling you, they had to get those votes from a lot of states to get the popular vote, and giving yourself a few thousand more here and there adds up. And not much suspicion when you have a state that overwhelmingly votes republican anyway.
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