I want to throw a bag of "Shit "at the Cable & Radio right wing pundits

If we don't fight back we are going to lose every right that we have in this country. The right wing media are the ones that are UN-American and causing all of the problems in this country. They have brought so much animosity between the so called red states vs blues states. They feed everyone a load of shit every day and It's time to fight back against the Media and hold them responsible for the hate and rigged elections.

We need to hold them accountable for the War on Iraq and all of the deaths that they have caused because of Bush and their Oil War. What the right wing pundits are doing is causing us to hate each other and it's going to cause a civil war in this country real soon.

I don't see the politicians or pundits sending their kids off to war. The media had their props bought before the war on oil started. They spent money on those props and they needed to turn a profit in order to pay for the backdrops and their new hired pundits to give one sided opinions.

We need to fight back by protesting all media outlets. I wish that someone would create a website to start a protest against the media. We could do a black out 3 months of cable and newspaper delivery or black them out until they start giving equal time to each party.

"Oh, what I would give to hit one of them with a bag of shit, Back at-cha bullshitters" :evilgrin:

There was a time when the republicans and the neocons were a VERY small minority in out govt. It took about 20 years but they managed to mobilize and create a culture that they can almost always win in.

Forget about election fraud and all of that for just a second, if you look at the neocons history and how they managed to become a huge majority in a relatively short time I think we will find our answer to winning. If they did it with so few why can't we do it with so many? The only advantage they had was churches, I'm sure we can find a way to spread our message to thousands of people the same way they did.

Follow history and repeat it. They ran HUGE grass roots campaigns to get their message out, they raised millions of dollars from john Smith who didn't have the money to give and Susie homemaker who wanted her child kept away from immorality. Why can't we do the same just in reverse? Why can't we start large grass roots efforts NOW to raise the money to spread the word. Fox is there because there is an audience for it. Starting a left leaning media outfit isn't impossible it just takes money and time.

I think that studying how they did it can help us defeat them. Because when they first started then had a few million, we know that we have over 56 million :)

If we can organize a boycott of Fox News and their advertisers products, perhaps we can legally force them to present unbiased news or at least label their propaganda as such. If you haven't watched the documentary about Fox called Outfoxed, I highly recommend it. They demonstrate the incredible bias of Fox and unfortunately it's impact and reach. They cite a study by PIPA that proves that people who watch Fox are sorely misinformed about many facts. (see below) A democracy cannot work properly when its citizens are misinformed. We need to make sure that our citizenry knows fact from fiction, truth from propaganda or we will never have a real democracy. I think we need to get to work on ensuring that news outlets present news and not propaganda so the next elections we have are reflective of the peoples' well informed choices and not based on choices that were made based on lies. It's not enough to present opposing viewpoints on other media because the victims of Fox and Sinclair and Clear Channel are not listening to Air America. We need to excercise our legal right to organize an effort to pressure the right wing media to remove the bias from anything they label as news or fair and balanced. If we get them in the pocketbook, they will be forced to alter their programming and the people of America can make reall choices again. A democracy is only as good as the information it's citizens use to make their election decisions. Bad information leads to bad leadership.



A quote from the study--"For each of the three misperceptions, the study found enormous differences between the viewers of Fox, who held the most misperceptions, and NPR/PBS, who held the fewest by far. Eighty percent of Fox viewers were found to hold at least one misperception, compared to 23 percent of NPR/PBS consumers. All the other media fell in between.

CBS ranked right behind Fox with a 71 percent score, while CNN and NBC tied as the best-performing commercial broadcast audience at 55 percent. Forty-seven percent of print media readers held at least one misperception.

As to the number of misconceptions held by their audiences, Fox far outscored all of its rivals. A whopping 45 percent of its viewers believed all three misperceptions, while the other commercial networks scored between 12 percent and 16 percent. Only nine percent of readers believed all three, while only four percent of the NPR/PBS audience did.."
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16892

at colonel klink and his band of spinnerets at cnn.

Time to wake up, Democrats. Bush looks more like Hitler every day, and this country has now become a One Party State. Michael Savage has done more to change the mind of this Democrat on the gun issue in a couple of listen-tos of his show than 40 years of the NRA. You listen to him, or Gallegher, or a lot of the other far-right AM radio fascists, and you will hear them calling for mass arrests and camps for "filthy lying liberal scum" - about 20 minutes of that and the wisdom of the 2nd Amendment will dawn on you. In addition you hear the crypto-fascists, Hannity and Limbaugh saying "I've had about as much of this as I can take". Ask yourself - just what the fuck you think they are saying in their little code when they say that shit? Democrats, its time to not only stop advocating gun control, but to get a gun and learn how to use it to defend your home and your loved ones.

As far as fighting back goes, the only way you can make a difference is to target their advertisers. We need a thread dedicated to storing email addresses and tracking AM radio web sites for "List of Advertisers" pages, demanding they stop advertising on the show and boycotting their products. Right now if you buy a set of Discount Tires, you are essentially giving them money to pay Michael Savage to demand you get dragged off to a concentration camp, while he calls you scum, swine, rat and a pig.

Good idea about keeping track of all of the advertisers and boycotting them.

If we could just get a core group going to maintain a thread dedicated to doing it and talk DU into making it a permanant thread with high prominence, we could make it work. Its easy. First, you note an egregious wrong, like Savage calling us "filthy lying liberal scum". Next, find out the call sign of the AM station in your area that carries the fascist, goolge the call letters, get on this site and post the link to the main page and the advertiser's page, or if they don't have one, listen to the show and note the advertisers and post the website. From these web links, farm email addresses and post them, so we can all join in. Here is one I have been complaining about, a guy named David Gold, who broadcasts locally in Dallas and San Francisco and calls us "rats" the whole time he broadcasts. I google "KMSR Dallas" anf "KSFO San Francisco" and I get the web sites:

http://www.990mainstreet.com
Then I click on "advertisers" and get this:
http://www.990mainstreet.com/advertisers.php

This takes me to web sites were I can complain to the advertisers about the nasty little pig fucker who calls us "rats". Its a waste of time to complain to the radio station itself - they are all run by Repub party hacks who hate our fucking guts any way. The only way to hurt them is make the advertisers think they are going to loose business by advertising there. Only a mass movement by people writing original individual emails will work.

Same in Frisco:

http://www.ksfo560.com
http://www.ksfo560.com/coupons.asp

These advertisers are the only people who can exert any control over these people. Any other action against them is either futile or it actually helps them out. Imagine if we had a nationwide list like that and we could use the user base here to actually hit these bastards where it hurts - in the wallet.

BTW - feel free to send a few emails on those links complaining to advertisers, asking them why you should buy their products when they are paying this asshole Gold to call your 97 year old grandmother a "rat".

<<You listen to him, or Gallegher, or a lot of the other far-right AM radio fascists, and you will hear them calling for mass arrests and camps for "filthy lying liberal scum" - about 20 minutes of that and the wisdom of the 2nd Amendment will dawn on you.>>

Yes, just like Ann "The Man" Coulter, who wants to accuse liberals of "treason", and believes in such charming things as killing those who don't fit her definition of an American.

<<In addition you hear the crypto-fascists, Hannity and Limbaugh saying "I've had about as much of this as I can take". Ask yourself - just what the fuck you think they are saying in their little code when they say that shit?>>

Yep, we're just supposed to shut up and fucking take their shit. Sorry, folks, but as long as that Stars & Stripes flies, we're free to criticize this administration's mistakes.

<<Democrats, its time to not only stop advocating gun control, but to get a gun and learn how to use it to defend your home and your loved ones.>>

IMHO, I thought this was a good idea based on the incidence of violent crime. I sure as hell hope it never comes down to a civil war like you're predicting....

<<As far as fighting back goes, the only way you can make a difference is to target their advertisers. We need a thread dedicated to storing email addresses and tracking AM radio web sites for "List of Advertisers" pages, demanding they stop advertising on the show and boycotting their products. Right now if you buy a set of Discount Tires, you are essentially giving them money to pay Michael Savage to demand you get dragged off to a concentration camp, while he calls you scum, swine, rat and a pig.>>

AMEN! They can screw with our votes, but they can't screw with our money if we don't give it to their supporters. Look how Sinclair caved...WE'VE GOT THE POWER! Support sponsors of liberal programs like Air America, and boycott sponsors of the rightards' pulpits. They'll get the message, loud and clear!

We CAN do this! If we believe it we can achieve it. I'm sorry if I sound Pollyanna-ish or incredibley optimistic. But I believe it's possible.

Great points were made in the post prior. Please forgive me for not citing the name of the poster, it's late here and I am kinda' sleepy--so memory is failing. Sorry.

Anyway, many great grassroots movements started with this prior campaign. Instead of people feeling defeated, we should feel encouraged that this many people did give a damn. That so many people came out in huge numbers because it DOES matter to them, too. We just can't let it fall apart.

Gingersnaps--

Quote: I wish that someone would create a website to start a protest against the media. We could do a black out 3 months of cable and newspaper delivery or black them out until they start giving equal time to each party.

Not to put you on the spot by any means, but maybe you could do this, start such a website. Maybe?

Again, not trying to put you on the spot, but some of the best ideas have come about because someone made a similiar statement. Someone says, "I wish there was__(fill in the blank)___" and went out and created it because they got sick and tired of not having what they wish existed. In some of these instances, the person became very wealthy in the process or at the very least became very fulfilled by filling a need that existed.

Just something to think about...

Bliss :)

I have the fire in my belly but to tell you the truth I don't have the slightest clue on how to create a website that would be unhackable.

The College that I attend is strictly for Artists. :hug:

I am sleepy but I refuse to go to bed because I have my hours messed up and I stay up too late at night.

A new web site gets little traffic. This website has 45,000 registrations. We need a place where we can get in touch with a lot of democrats to do a few things enmass.

We need another thread to do the same thing with Internet Forums. There are a lot of forums where mixed groups of people interact that allow political discussion even tho it is not a political website, usually called the "Off topic Forum". The right wing is the only side geting heard on those forums. We should have at least one DUer on each one to spread the truth, and keep a cut and paste bank for boilerplate replies. These are great places to meet and fight the enemey while talking to undecideds at the same time. We ain;t going to reach anyine over at freepers, but we could here. I've been battling it out on sports car forums for months and have really raised some awareness. Here's a thread for example, on a Mercedes site, called "Are you getting scared"? where we are battling it out with the repugs:

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=108246

Look at the view counts. Hundreds of people are reading this stuff - when I first arrived on the site, it was freeper land. We are driving the Repugs nuts.

Half our problem is we are being drowned out by the right wing megaphone. Most of the nitwits who voted for Bush actually thought he was in favor of things we are in favor of! We have to educate as much as advocate - these people are drowning in Fox and Drudge.

I agree--it's a media war to a large extent. Our side needs more visibility. We came a long way in that before the so-called??election and we now have some media leaders. Not to over-romanticize, but I do think of them as heroes. It takes a lotta guts to question the corporate media machine in America, feeding on fear and hysteria.

Everyone here has good ideas. It will take some organizing, but the media needs to be held much more accountable. We need some media watch groups that are as strong as those right-wing ones. We need advocacy. We need clout. We need a place to join voices. We need reasonable, level-headed, but creative ideas like these. I would like to see a place on the web where members report instances of media abuse and neglect, and we can join mass protest actions (such as emails, phone, fax) in direct response. If done well, it could be a page on a website like this, or link to this website.

And also we need to support those media outlets that are sticking their necks out right now...trying hard to present our views...does somebody have a convenient list of those? I'd like to see a nationwide rundown of media (groups and/or individuals) that we (who feel burned by the corporate media) need to be actively supporting.

Why not start by targeting the mother-load FOX. We should put ALL of their sponsors on notice that we don't like being vilified for being liberal or living in Massachusetts. Obviously not all sponsors are equally vulnerable but the food chains and soda manufacturers quickly come to mind and we'd be doing a public service. Just Have to careful how its phrased to avoid liabilities (also we would need several websites not just one but with links and regional "masters")

Usually you have to have some concrete complaint about a specific incident. You can't just go after someone who disagrees with you. I would go after these guys who have crossed over into to Nazi hate speech like Savage with the first attack. What we are trying to do is not only attack the other side, but to do it in a way that portrays what is going on to average people. If it sounds like you are doing it just to disagree with Fox, the people we need to reach will just write it off as partisan bickering. If we ae doing it because Savage is advocating mass arrests and calls us "rats" that is going to resonate with the public, and that is something we can build on. Nail the bad guys first and get some street cred, then go after Riechsfuhrer Murdick.

mediamatters.org. David Brock's site. He's pretty effective too, just not enough people behind him.

and maybe we were given this tool just in time. It can help save our country and educate the public, and keep us in contact with the 'outside' world. And we will need to.

Unless BushCo shuts us all down, and they are trying to do so as we post.

Our own FoxNews, except it would have more journalistic integrity. Cuz we're just like that ya know. The success of Air America has already proven that liberal and progressive voices will be heard. Let's take it to the TV now. CNN, MSNBC, and the networks are sold out whores and PBS has turned into a scared rabbit. They belong in the dustbin of irrelevancy. A left leaning cable news network could be guaranteed to draw at least 20% of the population on a regular basis, plus all the rabid righties who will tune in just to get pissed off. It would attract newscasters like Olbermann who still have some integrity and are tired of spouting corporate war-mongering propaganda.

But if we can fix this, we'll be on the way to a solution. Don't think boycotts will do much damage unless universal, and that's still going to take more time than we have.

And better to protest the 'liberal' media first, it's full of repug disinfo agents (or they might as well be) in 'liberal' clothes, ie NYT, WP, CBS, CNN, etc. A ring of thousands blocking their entrances would get the attention of the world media faster than doing the same to FOX, IM0.

Just do it...

US PRESS IS HARDLY FREE!
WE PREFER THE BBC!

(that's the chant)

BBC will report it cuz it's complimenting them, so it'll get worldwide coverage. No permit needed to gather on a public sidewalk without megaphones/bullhorns.

Just pick a date, make a sign (US MEDIA LIES) and post the gathering spot on the activism section.

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