Did Dubya Rig the Election?

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Did Dubbya rig the election?
Michael Meacher
Monday 29th November 2004


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Michael Meacher smells something fishy in Bush's return to office. The evidence of fraud is not yet conclusive but, given the Republicans' record, it is all too plausible

The great mystery of the US presidential election was that the exit polls, which had been reliable guides in all previous elections, did not tally with the final results. Tony Blair, it is said, went to sleep on 2 November thinking John Kerry had won, but woke in the morning to find that George W Bush was the victor. Many Britons and Americans had the same experience. Nobody has advanced a satisfactory explanation. Now allegations are surfacing that the use of electronic voting systems and optical scanning devices may have had a significant influence on the result. Computer security experts insist that such sys- tems are not secure and not tamper-proof, yet they were used to count a third of the votes across 37 states. Though the Democrats remain strangely coy about the whole subject, academics and political analysts are now drawing comparisons between areas that used paper ballots and areas that used electronic systems. Is it possible that results in the latter were rigged?

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From the UK~

Thanks for the story!

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Michael Meacher, an MP, and the former Enviornmental Minister for Tony Blair, is great. He was an advocate against the war in Iraq, knowing that it was based on lies. He is one of the only people who has written about Project For A New American Century in a major publication..the Guardian. What is important is that he is getting this out there abroad. :)

But it certainly looks like BushCo did.

Of course the election was rigged. The fucking Repukes took our GOTV folks and used them to pad their numbers. They did NOT have any fucking movement with the fucking fundies like they claim.

The fundies are the fringe minority they did not in mass get off their Jesus couch and vote. The vote was rigged and ** is a thief and a fucking mafia stooge.

Shit I am pissed. Really pissed.

cabinet as secretary of state for the environment for a long time. He did however get something of a conspiracy theorist reputation after advocating strongly that Bush allowed 9/11 to happen.

> advocating strongly that Bush allowed 9/11 to happen.

mainstream credibility, which is obviously considerably enhanced by his position as a cabinet minister but would be somewhat decreased for many for the 9/11 business.

that bush and the neo-cons allowed 9/11 to happen, due to their extreme incompetence in preventing it, ignoring the warnings, plus how it seemed to play into their hands enabling them to invade iraq, which they had been planning to do for a while. this was read as him accusing bush of allowing it to happen, but he denied he was going that far.

that 9/11 was allowed to happen makes him all the more credible in my book. That whole thing reeks as much as the election, the more one looks into the discrepencies, the excessive secrecy by this administration, and the lack of investigative follow through.

Just some thoughts...

- G

An analysis of the poll by different states points up inconsistencies that cannot be explained by random variation. In Arizona, Colorado, Louisiana, Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico, Maine, Nevada, Arkansas and Missouri, where a variety of different voting systems were used, including paper ballots in many cases, the four companies carrying out exit polls were almost exactly right and their results were certainly within the margin of error. In Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Minnesota, New Hampshire and North Carolina, however, where electronic or optical scanning machines were used (though not exclusively), the tracking polls were seriously discrepant from the published result.

Two aspects of this are immediately striking. One is the large size of the variance, and the other is that in every case it favoured Bush. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by an astonishing 15 per cent.

not a name I have seen much mention of in my Guardian recently - A Reader

Many of us here are novice tin foil hatters who have only been at it since the election.
To better frame this discourse and bring it into perspective I offer this link (http://www.hermes-press.com/Voting/vote_rig.htm) by the late Dr. Norman Livergood concerning the danger of electronic manipulation of voting.
Dr. Livergood had been at this stuff so long that he died with gold brocade on his tin foil hat and golden tin foil epaulets on his shoulders.

This link has expired. If you just try to go directly to it you will only get 404 page not found.
You must first go to www.archive.org and then paste in the link.

This is a REALLY GOOD read!

Wiley

and the reminder about the WayBack Machine.

Seems to me you're about ready for Tin Foil Hat graduation to me!

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Edited: that's a superb article. It had things in it even I didn't know (and I've been at this for a while).

You have just made this newbie deliriously happy.
Thanks for the kudos.

Wiley

Notice how FoxNews blocks archiving by the wayback machine via robots.txt

What could they possibly have to hide from curious readers in the future, I wonder.... ;)

being a newbie and all... :-)

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

it is snowballing

And who here really thought they wouldn't rig it?

I believe the scope of this fraud will exceed the ramifications of Watergate.

:hi:

Jeb was quoted recently (Miami Herald I think) that Bill Nelson is "going down" in the next election. Jeb should know.

I've said it before, as have others, but Bu$h could very well be the Second Coming.....OF RICHARD NIXON!

and I hope Bev of www.blackboxvoting.org gets to the bottom of this soon. It seems that the general opinion among republicans is that there should be no investigation. they say to me "You lost get over it."

I fear that this may end up another 60 second news story about how one or two machines were rigged but the amount of tampering was "not enough to sway the vote." Statements such as this make me sick. after all how many machines need to be tampered with to in fact sway the vote??? with margins such as 50,000 or 100,000 or even 150,000 it does not take a scientist to figure out that a total of 10 to 20 rigged machines could easily do the job.

Something else to remember is that evidence that the central tabulators were in fact vulnerable to hacker manipulation has been un-covered by www.blackboxvoting.org Computer professors have stated after looking at the code that drives these machines that if their students had submitted these programs as a final project they would fail the class.

I am appalled that the mainstream media continues to bury this topic under such subjects as the crazy deer hunter or the Scott Peterson Trial. Stories that I feel are not news worthy at all. Like wise I don't care that they found some Molting Seal in a drainage ditch, or that a puppy fell down a well. In comparison to a situation that is a true threat to Democracy as we know it, how can they give these stories so much attention.

Furthermore I am sick of people saying "You lost, get over it." If I lost because you cheated I am well with in my right to call your attention to the rules of the game. I am also sick of the assertion that if it is not covered by Fox News, it must be a conspiracy theory. How many Sources do you need before you start to wounder if theory is fact. further more I point out that the concept of "God" is a theory but "Conservatives" don't have any problems believing in that.

I do not consider my self a "Liberal" a "Conspiracy Theorist" or even a "Democrat". I am an American and if you don't believe that such wide spread allegations of Fraud should be at the very least investigated then not only are you un-American, but you are a threat to Democracy.

P.S. I voted

I thought that was a great read and quite persuavive. Kinda fortifies our convictions by the time you're done reading it.

He is just the puppet of Bushco. The "wizard" is behind the curtains.
And the wizard is fully capable of rigging any election.

Yep, Rove and Co. may be smart, but there's no way they can cover their tracks completely. They're not that smart!

I will drop a note to the letter to the editor page now. One of the great things we've been doing is sending thank you notes to journalists and reporters when they write pieces like these. Also providing them with more info so that they can continue their work. If anyone can figure out a way to send him a note directly (in stead of via the form on the page), please send it. I don't have much time now but will try to research this later.

Also, perhaps Mr. Meacher has other friends in the UK media that he can encourage to write about this... (Just a thought)

Happy Thanksgiving DU!

This article also appears here

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4536

:shrug: Of course. Or, well maybe someone did it for him, he's not very bright...but he knew it was rigged. He knew it wasn't fair and he didn't care. Ooh. I'm a poet. Bush is evil. A vote for Bush is a vote for Satan.:evilgrin:

I read he did it with over $29,000,000 paid to people on the inside.

The Chimp is a tool. Other people are the ones who wield him.

Otherwise, he'd be yet another failed Repug businessman in Texas, drowning his failures in bourbon and memories of Jeebus.